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Bullet Ban For Toronto?

Posted By: Dave Bradley · 6/13/2012 6:00:00 AM

Councillor Adam Vaughan is proposing new zoning bylaws that would prohibit the storage, sale and use of ammunition in Toronto.

The move comes in the wake of the Eaton Center shooting where two people were killed.

Vaughan's bylaw would include bullets for all guns, not just handguns.

Normally, in Canada, gun control laws are set by the Provincial or Federal Governments.

Currently, to buy bullets in Toronto, the person would have to be over 18 years old and would also have to have a valid permit for the gun.



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  1. Ceteris Paribus posted on 06/13/2012 06:42 AM
    Vaughan and individuals (past and present) like him are the reason that Toronto is in the state that it is. With no real mass transit, crumbing infrastructure, severe traffic congestion and ludicrous ideas. Vaughan and others are chuck-full of bubble head ideas and aspire to control things beyond their scope of duties instead of dealing the real issues because they don't how to deal with the real issues.

    With a dysfunctional council and no real leadership the affairs of Toronto is going nowhere but down.

    Banning or ignoring things is NOT going to make the problem go away.
    1. Jim posted on 06/14/2012 10:02 AM
      @Ceteris Paribus Does Adam realize that an illegal gun always comes with bullets.
  2. Keith M posted on 06/13/2012 06:47 AM
    This makes it a certainty. Vaughan will be opposing Rob Ford in the next election, and depending on gun crimes in the next few years it may be an election issue.

    I mean, Vaughan is being completely irrational and ridiculous, but as we saw with that bag ban all it takes is a few irrational councillors to chip away at our liberties.
  3. proton posted on 06/13/2012 06:51 AM
    here we go again, another useless idea from the left. a much better idea would be to ban stupid ideas.

    All this will do is to create more problems for legitimate users.

    It boggles the mind how stupid these ideas are, and they just keep coming and coming, like the plastic bag ban, st. clair streetcar, lack of subways.
  4. Richard Collins posted on 06/13/2012 07:04 AM
    All this will accomplish is making the illegal sale of bullets more lucrative, and as "Proton" mentioned, cause problems for legitimate gun owners. What we need is to re-instate the death penalty for murder, and actually use it.
  5. proton posted on 06/13/2012 07:08 AM
    dear councillor adam vaughan,

    your idea doesn't go far enough. we've now had 2 shootings at the eaton centre.

    why not close the eaton centre, after all it seems these gangs are congregating there so if we close it they won't be able to congregate there anymore....oh wait, they'll go somewhere else.

    well, we'll just keep closing every place they commit a crime, eventually they'll have nowhere to go

    and i'm sure if ford objects to the idea, the useless left councillors will all vote for it
  6. D.A.L posted on 06/13/2012 07:17 AM
    Doing something that is useless, but appears to look good for the councilor is easy. If he REALLY wanted to take action he would have the guts to declare war on the gangs, make it legal for spot inspections of government housing projects under the cities control and hire more specialized cops to eliminate gangs in our city.

    But he doesn't have the guts! Bedsides, knives kill more people then guns!
    1. BELLEINTHEBUSH posted on 06/13/2012 07:58 AM
      @D.A.L Alcohol and drugs kill more people than guns...maybe ban beer is the answer
  7. Nicholas posted on 06/13/2012 07:38 AM
    The nonsense that come out of Adam Vaughan's mouth is remarkably idiotic, even by the low standards of Toronto's leftwing politicians. First, there were his nonsensical ramblings on your radio station a week or so ago.

    And then this 'bullet ban'. It's extraordinarily difficult to legally own a handgun in this country, yet gangs seems to be able to get them without difficulty. And it will be infinitely easier to get bullets illegally...you can purchase them in many states with no id, let alone a permit. It's just another attempt of an utterly incompetent man to appear to be doing something constructive.

    How on earth the people in his riding can cast their votes for a buffoon like this defies belief.
    1. SteveB_10 posted on 06/13/2012 12:21 PM
      @Nicholas Thats not the point, the point is to make it harder to get bullets, every bit helps.
      Don’t you think its dumb to make life easy for them. That’s all Adam is talking about. Only half the people have stopped using plastic bags, most people have stopped using pesticides, if there are no bullets in Toronto less people will be shot case closed you lose again, or is even one life of a human not worth it to you so a hunter can buy bullets in Toronto instead of Barrie.
  8. Patricia Barbet posted on 06/13/2012 07:54 AM
    Lets build a top security Prison way up North and give these Gangs Hard Labour not the Three meals a day camp they get now. Let them clear the bush and open up the North country. (Or better still do what the Indians used to do Put them on an Ice flow!)
  9. BELLEINTHEBUSH posted on 06/13/2012 07:55 AM
    Another stupid idea from the chronically stupid. Unless there is going to be a fence put around the city of Toronto to keep the criminals from leaving to buy their ammunition Mr Vaughan should get his head out of the sand.....Cracking down on the criminals and punishing them to the FULL extent of the law would yield better results.
    Maybe the city of Toronto should should make it illegal to carry a handgun on the street in Toronto or discharge a firearm in the city at large(including shopping malls)...oh ya...it already is illegal...go after the criminals.
  10. P Balfour posted on 06/13/2012 08:35 AM
    I think it’s time all prospective councillors are required to take an I.Q. test and achieve at least 30! I'm sure thugs who steal firearms are going do head down to your local gun shop and buy ammo. If somebody would take the time to research this stuff they would discover that not anybody can buy ammunition. Criminals are not licence to carry hand guns or buy ammo, that's why they are criminals. Criminals do not follow rules or bans placed on them, they break laws so why come up with more useless legislation. Good thing we banned plastic bags, it will protect some councillors from being smothered by one!
  11. DougM_9406 posted on 06/13/2012 09:21 AM
    Banning Bullets?...utterly ridiculous. We put these people in government to be representatives of the people, not representatives of stupidity! We pay them to come up with ideas like this???
    C’mon, enough is enough. You don’t even have to comment on how stupid this is, it’s obvious to any reasonably intelligent person. We need to have a law that would enable Toronto council to “BAN” stupid wastes of our tax dollars and get some of these idiot councillors out of office.
    I’ve just had enough of stupid people representing us in government…that we are paying for!
  12. Ron posted on 06/13/2012 09:34 AM
    How did it happen that Toronto was cursed with this idiot? Looking at issues reflected in one of those distorted mirrors is maybe how Vaughan comes up his dumb ideas.
  13. KeithH posted on 06/13/2012 09:35 AM
    Did the killer realize that shooting people has already been banned? Was he licensed for firearms? And to carry this weapon in public?

    So banning bullets will finally end the shootings in Toronto! Thank goodness for Adam Vaughan bringing this forward to the media. My only concern will be that 905ers will begin smuggling bullets into Toronto to sell on the street to those who will not adhere to the ban.
    1. DougM_9406 posted on 06/13/2012 10:01 AM
      @KeithH LOL...dam 905ers, next Vaughan will want to ban them
  14. Nicholas W posted on 06/13/2012 11:10 AM
    People like Adam Vaughan are the main reason why we have so much lack of common sense in today's society in so many areas.
    Banning bullets will of course fix all these shooting problems Adam since we know that gangstas and in the past certain biker gangs and our own Indians in places like Caledonia who are ready with their full arsenals of weapons will of course abide by that bullet ban.
    But hey let's not talk about those REAL ISSUES Adam and the PC gang...let's go after those target shooter types.
    That low hanging fruit so idiots like you Adam can look like you are actually pretending to do something for your far too big pay check.
    Piss off Adam and your ilk!
  15. D.A.L posted on 06/13/2012 11:20 AM
    Finally we have verbal proof how delusional (check your dictionary) he, and other city politicians that agree with him, really are!!! They are so disconnected from reality. Their stupidity is truly unbelievable!!

    D.A.L
  16. Mark posted on 06/13/2012 01:13 PM
    If Adam Vaughn (or any City counsellor for that matter were here), I know where I would like to shove a few bullets...

    Why don't these completely incompetent imbecilles just worry about civic matters, like balancing the budget, keeping pools and parks operational, clearing snow and cleaning streets, etc.

    If Adam Moron would like to tackle the "big" issues, he should run federally so he can hang out with that other lunatic, Mul(who)caire(s).
  17. Cathy R posted on 06/13/2012 05:35 PM
    The Councilor is starting his campaign for mayor with ridiculous notions. Ban the Bullet! Ban the Bag! Like somehow the argument that banning something doesn't actually work has escaped his notice. It the same argument he would use for legalizing drugs and prostitution. I guess he must have faith that the criminal element will obey this law of all the laws they disregard. I am so glad I live in Burlington and he is your problem.
  18. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/13/2012 10:29 PM
    The danger in this discussion is the total failure to realize why we have crime in our youths for we the Ontarians create the crime in the youths, and I am going to be long on my posting for this is important to me. Crime is mainly planted in our children by the system its self, and you only need to understand why it is created to understand how you can stop it. There is so much money in the crime and the system its self cannot stop it when the money is still there. You have Police Officers, you have judges, you have social workers, you have lawyers, you have jail guards, and all these people have one common thing, they are all paid by the government. The only person that is a victim in this entire money making machine is the youth kid. And let me be very quick here to state that when the summer of guns started, every one jumped up on Jamaicans and Jamaican gangs and youths are shooting people. Chifu Fantino himself flew to Jamaica to find out how he can work with the Jamaican government to fight crime in Toronto. But these were not Jamaicans they were African kids from Somalia from Kenya from Uganda from Tanzania. These are kids we brought here in early 1980’s. Are you telling me honestly that when a kid dies in this city a Police Chief does not know where he came from? How did Fantino end up in Jamaica? Because addressing the real issues in crime and prevention involves involving parents and that kills a whole lot of jobs in the city. What have we done as parents as we are called failures? We are fighting with the system to see that our African kids are saved from this mafia system that breeds crime. And I will explain in a moment.

    All kids that get shot in this city have a file with a social worker, and what we need to do is to get the name of a social worker responsible for that kid and put it on a tomb stone of every dead kid, for it is them that drive them against the parents and very easily. They get their hands on your kids at school and pump into them all nonsense that they come at home and you have no idea what garbage the kid has come back with. A teacher talking to her kids in class discussed a series on television that was running, and kids of a Sudanese family were not following, so she asked why they were not participating, the kids responded we do not have a television at home. A social worker was called in class and at the end of the day the kids went home with a social worker and a television in tow without a social worker talking to the parents. These are new people that had just came into the country I think they were only a month, and a television was a scarily thing to them, it is a 24 hours job and it is not clean and that is very hard to understand when you grow up here. So the parents decided not to buy one at that time, till when their kids and them get used to the country. All that information was never important to the social worker, she just undermined the authority of the parents. The kid that showed a plastic gun to the Doctor in St Michael hospital, and was shot by Police, he was told by a social worker that he had a right to get welfare. Although the mother rejected it the social worker by passed her decision and handed the kid the check, which gave him more money than the mother, and he became totally uncontrollable at home and in our community for all his instructions were coming from the social worker that was not talking to the parents. The kid that stabbed the TTC collector, I think in Warden or Kennedy station, was supposed to be sent home, you see that is the only option we have in this society that targets the children, to tune them against their parents. You buy a ticket and send him home then bring him back when he is grown up and developed. This poor mother and the community bought him a ticket to go, and as they were arriving at the airport, the social worker shows up and threatened the mother with suing her with kidnap and the mother gave up. Just a week after he stabbed the TTC worker. Social workers are not promoted due to production they are not accountable to any one and you cannot ask their success. Did you know that when you show up in this country and visit your federal immigration officer the first time, he is supposed to give you a list of divorce lawyers before he gives you a map of the TTC? Many immigrants leave the office of that counselor thinking that these are job offers not knowing the system is built to destroy the family structure to feed on the kids. Now I will not go into children AID that some areas like Brampton, out sources its service to private people who are paid depending on how many children they save from families. They go to schools and take children from simple questions like how many blankets do you have at home? You know I can take you in a better family of a white rich people they have cars too, And to a child from Sudan that is a good idea. So he gets trained by Children Aid Society to disobey at home literary.

    Which brings me to the Okwongo’’s story which is very sad.

    This family came to Canada with three children, they lived in Scarborough on Markham Road and Eglington about. The kid started to misbehave and the parents got their hands on it. They cut off his friends and instructed him to go to school. But he had two social workers that told him that he had no reason to listen to his parents. He came home late and he was told that it was his right. So it became a war between an immigrant parent and the social workers. The parents decided to cut off the boy from the area, so they moved all way from Scarborough to Mississauga. They went deep in Mississauga to South Down Rd. Now when you do that you have cut him off the school, you have cut him off the friends, you have cut him off the transportation, in fact we thought you had cut him off the welfare system for you are going into a different jurisdiction. A week after, the social workers from Scarborough drove a car to South Down Rd, got a Mississauga Police Officer and came to a parent’s house with the kid to pick up his staff for they are taking him back to Scarborough where his parents ran from. They took him back to Scarborough and put him into a hostel with the very gangs that we knew were bad. Mid-Summer the social workers rented a bus, and took all of them to North East of Ottawa on a lake. This kid was afraid of water but for he wanted to impress the white people, he told them that he knew how to swim. They all dove into the waters and he never came back up. He died and he was killed by the social workers. They reported the issue to the local Police and drove the body back to the funeral home at the hostel and prepared to burry. They got a grave and asked a pastor to pray for him before they burry. We were never told about his death, it is the pastor that wondered who gave them the powers of not telling us, that called so that we go and attend the prayers. We got a lawyer and issued them with a letter of stop and resist, we ended up with a letter battles about a week to getting his body, for to them he is an adult and a parent is not important.

    We got so upset and decided to take the issue to the press, and we thought at Christie Blatchford as a good reporter in the city to handle this very tough situation, for we wanted a reporter that would sit with these parents to see everything they had gone through their war with a system that wanted to their son to become gang star. They had documentation letters of communications and all were ignored by the social workers. I talked to Christie Blachford on a Sunday she was out of town and she promised us to show up as soon as she comes back in town on Monday for this was important. We called her almost 30 times and in all times she gave us bogus appointments and we drove from Toronto on a daily basis and Christie never showed up and she never called the parents. In the fourth week we decided to forget the press and take the issue to the politicians, and who was better to go to than John Torry that was a leader of opposition. We called John Tory’s secretary and gave her all details as much as we could and she felt sorry for us and told us that we yes were going to get an appointment to see John Torry. After two weeks of agonizing phone calls, we got a word from John Torry that he was sorry he does not have the time to see us. Why do you think we go against him whenever he stands for a political position? For he has a class that matters the most to him and we are not that class. We buried our kid and closed the door. Because we raised so much commotion in the Liberal government, a commission of inquiry was set up at a frantic speed and it was rejected to be set up in Toronto but in North East of Ottawa and it was all drama of the government. Today as you read this writing, the social workers took his brother as well. Children Aid Society takes millions of dollars from tax payers, do you know any successful child, a human being you can show me that he or she was saved by them? And I need only one. The only time you hear about CAS is when they need more money to target our children in schools.

    Did the courts and Police end the summer gun? No it was stopped by us the parents we stood up and chased them out of the town, they decided to go to Alberta where the parents in Alberta are now chasing them out and they are trying now to come back when we do not want them here, for the government the Police the judges will never work with parents but think in building larger jails and long sentences. Good luck, for now you have a problem with 23 year olds, but I wish you know the 9 year old coming up, God they are many and you need to turn the entire half of Toronto real estate into a massive jail to manage them for you have refused to work with the parents to bring them up as good citizens. There is a claim that there is a problem with babies becoming mothers. That is not true, look into a black community, girls are no longer getting pregnant, and I think we have done very well in that department. Walk the streets how many do you see with babies? The numbers are actually dwindling. But look at Husband, how old is his parents? 60 or so? Look at the one that died in the Eaton center how old is his parents? 60 may be? So where is the argument of single parents and babies having babies come in here? The parent an old man that lost a son on River street the other day said and I quote “It is good he has been shot I told him he will die” End quote. The other kid that died in Eaton center same thing, the parent said we told him he will die. Let me say this there are kids I wonder why they have not died already. And we know them for the Police protects them social workers protect them. Tell me why in the shooting of Eaton center, Husband is the victim? He is a good kid that tried so hard to clean up he even got a job, it is the dead kids that were bad, we are actually today safer from them. Can anyone tell me why Police refused to say their names publicly? Why did they need that protection If they were good people? And since there is a case in court that is all I will say on that.

    And there are statements that make me laugh. “I am leaving downtown and I am going in the suburb to run away from crime” “Crime is in the black community and it is blacks to fix it” Really, you are forgetting that this is a city problem we need the government and the parents to work together to sort it out for you will be driving on 401 when my kid is solving a problem with another kid and the bullet that will take you out will be called a stray bullet. So running away is not a solution but parenting. And we all must be parents. Instead of doing this, the government is out hunting down fathers and jailing them. Almost 80% of these crying fathers have criminal records for they were reported by these kids, we are all criminals for the system believes in the children than the parents. There is a mother that went to court and she got a restraining order signed in court when she never knew that she was getting one. You see as a new immigrant they believe that social workers are personal friends, and they work for the good of the family so they brought her papers and papers and she kept on signing what she never even wrote. She had a problem in the home she wanted a friend to talk to, and a teacher gave her a social worker. The rest she did not have control but a judge instructed a restraining order without the knowledge of the wife and the husband did not know either. Traffic officer stops him and find him driving his family, he got arrested for disobeying a restraining order. And both stood up and asked what is a restraining order sir? For they do not speak English but all these papers had a woman’s signature. In only that house we created a potential 7 gang bangers. And that is good for there is nothing with money in this city as crime.

    I am not one of those parents that stand up and yell to the entire system without solutions, with time I am going to write what we need to do as a city to solve the crime problem, but for tonight two major things. Canada cannot be a smart country to even manufacture a Canada arm but fail to up bring children, this country must stop to invest into crime by sacrificing the children. As parents we are no longer scared to burry our kids for we know who will die, we know who is wasted, we know who we have saved for we ship them out, and leave those we cannot take, but I fear the future for I do not see how long term sentences become the antidote. Do you really think that Husband came to Eaton Center in day light for he was scared to be arrested? Then think again.

    EM
    A parent in Toronto
  19. RandyM posted on 06/15/2012 09:23 AM
    Rather than banning bullets, I would hope for a ban on STUPID politicians!! Do these guys not understand that gang members and other crimminals don't play by the rules now and never will. Handguns are pretty much banned now, just ask any LEGAL handgun owner. Toronto needs to wake up and show these STUPID politicians the door!
  20. D.A,.L posted on 06/15/2012 01:30 PM
    However very sad it is, banning bullets would not have prevented the killings in Alberta either.
  21. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/15/2012 05:54 PM
    When I made the last posting few days ago, I stated in my last paragraph that as a parent I am going to post few of the steps we must take in this city to combat youth violence. In that posting I also stated that crime is manufactured for we get a whole lot of money and dump it into it and in exchange crimes develops on it, I am only going to list the ways we can all do better by cutting out that money. So if you are a tax payer thank you but we need your money back into the bag for all solutions I am going to post here really do not need millions. But I am going to make a few heads roll as well for I am going to go after the jobs and organizations. I did not grow up well for I had a swimming pool or a library I grew up for the society I grew up into backed my parents. A kid with a bad behavior will be bad in a swimming pool. And my God if that is how we grow them up, what will happen if the city run bankrupt and can no longer pay the swimming pool or Libraries, are we all going to shoot each other? The people demanding for social services to change our children are the real enemies, and please shut down the swimming pools for they are used as excuses for kids to get out of the homes.

    1}When we cut out the money we get rid of the interest groups, my God I have seen interviews and interviews of those claiming to understand what is the problem in the black community and they actually have nothing to do with the black community. Take a good look at who is interviewed on the television, parents of kids that were already wasted and they were going to be shot any ways, to me that is a failed parent and that parent cannot be role model into facing the problem we have. And they are the very same parents over and over at every shooting. Why are they not on television these days? For actually the shootings are no longer in Jamaicans but in African kids that I claim to know so well. When you cut those out, you need to cut out also black pretenders like Amber Gero that claim to understand the problem of a black family in this city. Yes Amber Gero is a black woman that grew up in Malvern with a single mother, but Amber the family you grew in at a time is very different from these families. You grew up when your mother has an authority these parents have no authority what so ever. I wonder, how many social workers did you have in school Amber? These kids can have even 5 at a time. How many times did they talk to you on the back of your mother? These kids do every day. I came in this country in 1984 and my kids had no social worker at school, things have changed from them and the results we have today is the Husbands that shoots in the Eaton center at age 23. So Amber Gero give this black family a break for you have no idea how pressing the system is to it. And on that I am going to go also after those claiming that it is single family and youth mothers. Kindly do some research for all these kids are from family of mother and father and they are senior citizens.

    2} We need to bridge up the gap between the opinion makers and a black a child, I strongly believe that Christie Blatchford and John Torry refused to raise the issue of Okwongo for he was a black kid. When you see all fund raisings they do, when you see all cases that in courts followed by them and by Radio stations, it is a white kid who is a victim. And on all bullets that have been shot in this city when you see a mayor only showing up on Eaton Center you realize that if you are black and your area has a crime problem it simply does not matter. That is not only known by me but many of the kids I talk to. The system does not care we are all criminals any ways. As parents we yes can fight that, but a mayor should be mayor of every one, a news reporters should be a reporter of every one, a leader of opposition should be concerned when any one is dead. Let me add that the involvement into these kids must pass the level of sponsoring a baseball game they must be treated as a part of society for they truly are. I believe that had Christie and John Tory raised the issue of this kid, we would have changed this system to serve better and in the process we would have saved some lives. But Okwong happened to be a black kid.

    We need to put the schools back to the teachers and I cannot over explain that fact, teachers have become robots, for today a teacher does not know what she controls or what a social worker controls or what a Police Officer controls for they are all inside a school feeding on the very same kids. The reason you see the Amber Geros today is that she had only two authorities, her mother and the teacher. The danger we have here is that the province goes to the Natives up North and finds a Native child abandoned by a drunkard parent and sniffing fuel, and that is it, the system sits down and sets up the laws for all of us to run our families based on that Native camp. That needs to change. Tell me what is the value of a social worker in school? Is she there for you do not trust the teacher? And just how do you evaluate her performance? A teacher is graded through marks but how exactly do you grade the social worker? How can we bring Police Officers in a school honestly? These are people paid due to the convictions they get and we are putting them into the kids? Does a Police Officer care more for the kids are good or for he gets a conviction? I know a kid that moved out of Toronto to a Kenya school for he just hated the racism in Toronto school, for a Police Officer asked his name and he gave it out and the Officer ran it and came back to ask him, how come you do not have any criminal record? That did it and to tell you the truth, Toronto has no education in primary schools any ways, a kid out of Somalia in grade 6 beats a kid in Toronto grade 6 trust me.

    3} Let me go on TCHC

    It is a very good concept but it needs to be revised and very much. Although a single mother pays 150 dollars a month for rent, a tax payer pays the difference to a market value. So if that apartment is paid a market value, why don’t we allow that mother to get an apartment on the market? She pays the 150 and we pay the difference to the land lord. It will stop to get innocent children that come into this city and end up into a crime Ghetto with drug addicts as their neighbors but as their role models. But to that mother as well, since all this money is paid, how about making it a mortgage? And I am looking at a sense of responsibility for this is mine. They stay for many many years and this house is a city house, a door breaks and the city replaces it, a wall is kicked in, and the city replaces it, water runs at will power goes at will for the city is going to pay. I was on 200 Wellesley Street E. and a tenant decided to drive through the roll up garage door for she was late. The city is about to replace it. Let us not worry about the adult and mother, but the children growing into these Ghettos will never get a sense of responsibility. You are bringing them up for you need future criminals. And when you get a TCHC house it means you are poor and abused woman, how do you get pregnant? Some of us have lived here way long but we cannot have any child for it is very expensive, why is it so hard for TCHC to draft a form that we are giving you a one bed room for you are an abused woman and you have only one child and if that changes we are not responsible? Why does TCHC keep on changing tenants from a one bed room to a two bed room to a three bed room for the family is getting larger? How can the family get larger when she got the apartment for she is abused by her husband to start with? Because society its self manufactures crime. At the end of the day the city stops to be a land lord but it stops to maintain the Ghettos.

    4} Legal Aid.

    This is another very stupid concept, Legal Aid is the welfare system of a failed lawyer. If a Lawyer cannot stand up to go after a case he goes to Legal aid system where he is paid by the government and the government sacrifices the children. And this is how it works. A child is picked up with Weed and taken to court, he is remanded for two weeks and in time a legal Aid lawyer shows up. This lawyer is paid according to how many times the kid shows up. So he keeps on sending him back and bringing him back every two weeks. After several showing up in court the Arresting Police Officer and the Lawyer with the prosecutor sit and decide to release the kid. So he shows up in the court and the prosecutor asks for the condition of release and the judge offer them and kid goes home. He is let go for the Police Officer the Judge the Lawyer and the prosecutor know full well that this kid will be rearrested and will be brought back and recharged and again found guilty. All these people are paid due to the convictions they get. Now tell me why it is not a system that is created to manufacture crime. We need to remove the legal aid system for If this kid comes to court the judge will sentence him any way does not matter what he says, if we fail to do that then let us make all lawyers take legal Aid. If a kid wants Green Span so be it. You cannot create a system you call fair but turn around and allow lawyers to refuse it, to me that is a system created to target the weak in society but to manufacture crime. Did you know that if a kid decided not to take a legal aid lawyer the judge throws books at him? So the system self protects. But this is the part that affects me as a parent, as your legal aid lawyer is sending this kid back and forth, he is getting more educated into crime for he is spending a cool time with Husbands in jail. Most of our children would have not been involved into crime until when the system sends them to Don Jail and to Toronto West. They come back when they are kids we do not even understand. For tell me how do you expect a kid arrested with weed how he fits to be with Husbands in the same jail if you are not manufacturing the future criminals.

    5} Councilor Adam Vaughn wants us to eliminate guns in Toronto.

    The guns that come to this city come from United States and the Federal Boarder Agency has done so much to stop them. We need to change that, we need to split the war of guns into two sectors, we need to go after who supplies the guns but we must also go for that one that supplies the bullets for they are not the same. When you talk to the kids they tell you that it is not hard to get a gun in this city, I think the last figure I heard was 500 dollars a piece. But if you do not have a reliable supplier of bullets your gun will be rendered useless. You start to get a feeling that actually the gun shots we have in the city are not that much controlled by who has the gun but who has the bullet supply, and I question why no one has raised this issue ever. Honestly when a kid walks into the Eaton Center and he fires off 12 or I think were 13 bullets, he has a very reliable supply of bullets. Who supplies them? Now this is very complicated issue for every one jumps it and starts to yell a whole lot, but let me state this, there is a gun and drug problem around Martin groove and Rexdale Finch area. Police has been there many times, but do you realize that the day they decided to do an operation up there all guns and drugs were gone? How did those kids know that there is going to be an operation tonight so remove the product? And that is the very serious question everyone needs to ask himself. What is funny is that the news reporters followed that news and reported it but they refused to report on it again for they could not report the information they were being locally handed. This system people manufactures the crimes and it is the black small kid as Husband that gets arrested for he gets on top of the hierarchy.

    There are very many issues I can raise but I am not here to tire you so I will end up with a message to Counselor Vaughn. Sir you have a very good intention, but let me kindly ask your good office to do us as parents a favor, let us separate the hunt of guns from hunt of bullets, then we get all of our bullets and mark them. I need to go to a crime scene in The Eaton Center and pick up a bullet shell, and I need to see if it does not belong to the ones we have marked. It is simple it is done in very many jurisdictions and trust me it works for the bullets by law of physics get fewer as you shoot them and need to be replaced. There is no kid in this city that drives to United States to pick up the bullets every weekend to make these shootings. Let us look for the bullet supplier. We can become the Amber Gero to the black families, who believes that black parents are less good than her mother, we can pump all social workers in schools and we can enlarge the jails and propose long term sentences, actually conservatives now are wondering why we even do not have a death sentence in Ontario. But we can as well involve the parents and do some very serious societal changes. Did you for example know that if a kid in a public school wears uniform he gets traumatized but in a private and Catholic school he is not? Have you ever wondered why?

    Is it possible that a public school is structured out to be a crime factory? Hummmmmm !!!!!

    EM
    A concerned parent
    1. kenfromcanada posted on 06/17/2012 03:28 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 DIATRIBE
      My use is related to the Latin diatriba, learned discourse.

      Is this section becoming a personal blog area? I thought this was provided to us for a quick and consise comment, or a thought or two. Will someone please tell Edward (above) that this isn't a blog, but a service the station is kindly providing for all of us to tell a bit of what we think?
  22. WarrenS_2923 posted on 06/15/2012 09:19 PM
    Wouldn't it be easier to ban the gunpowder? The city should set up a committee of at least 10 lawyers and 15 polititians like John Sewell and give them a year to report on whether it should be bullets or gunpowder. What does Shelly Carrol think?
  23. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/17/2012 04:27 PM
    Kenfromcanada

    But you see that is exactly why we keep quiet, that is why we do not speak up, had I stated that I need 5 million dollars to create a program for black kids in the city to stop the gun culture, money would have come oozing to me. What I posted is bad medicine and it should never be stated. 5 years I have spent to get Children Aid Society put under a single jurisdiction to supervise it, we wanted to put it under the ombudsman, and neither the conservatives support it nor The Liberals. So you have a single organization affecting so many people’s lives and never questioned by any one. The only time you hear about CAS is only when they demand to get millions and millions more, and Ontarians pay up for sure. What I posted is a diatribe trust me, build the jails and create longer sentences you will clean up the city, make the parents the enemies sir. Let us go with banning the gun powder and we need more swimming pools and libraries. The city has the moneys anyways.

    We as parents will remain watching on the sides for we have no problem with the tomb stones trust me, and I am done with this thread.

    EM
    A concerned Parent.
    1. kenfromcanada posted on 06/18/2012 06:42 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 I too am a parent, I read your posts, am not disputing nor disparaging - my point, this site isn't your blog or soapbox, keep it down to a paragraph like most here, before the moderators here limit us to less.
  24. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/18/2012 07:14 PM
    Kemfromcanada

    You called it a diatribe and that is the real resistance we as parents find in this society. For you wonder, there is more drugs in this city than the sugar we drink, yet the sugar we drink come into this city by containers. So who really brings in that consignment? Is it the black kid of 23 years old that shoots in Eaton center? But no one asks these serious questions for they are all defined as a diatribe. Don’t worry about it this is a problem of black people with single parents, a society where babies makes babies. Build more jails and get long term sentences you will clean up the problem.

    And getting a death sentence back to books can actually move us closer to a safer society.

    EM
    A concerned parents
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