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Councillor Mammoliti's Plan to Get Rid of Guns and Gangs

Posted By: Michelle Rosa · 8/1/2012 6:05:00 AM

Some tough talk from Toronto councillor Giorgio Mammoliti.

Public housing residents who harbour gunmen should have their welfare benefits slashed and be evicted from Toronto Community Housing. The councillor also wants any newcomers to our country who haven't become citizens, be immediately deported, if they're convicted of gun offences.

It's all part of his four-year plan to get rid of, or reduce the city's gun and gang problems, and he wants the Prime Minister to take it seriously. He's going after a change to legislation that would see gun crimes fall under Canada's terrorism laws, meaning anyone convicted of a gun crime would be considered a terrorist.

Mammoliti suggests the kinds of crime now, merits the return of capital punishment. He figures that's what's needed to prevent gang fights like the mass shooting on Danzig Street, were two people were killed, and twenty-three others wounded by gunfire.

(some files by E. Macko)

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  1. Richard Collins posted on 08/01/2012 07:26 AM
    An excellent start! Now, let's just hope that these laws are actually ratified and enforced!
  2. GitaP posted on 08/01/2012 09:13 AM
    Why is the answer to leap to capital punishment? At least be honest about why you want it Councillor. It does NOT act as a deterrent. It is vengeance, pure and simple. If it was truly a deterrent, those states that have it would have a lower capital crime rate. Is Texas murder-free? Sounds to me like the Councillor does not have any ideas that help for real. Just more rhetoric, more easy statements that Council has no ability to enforce anyway. Sad.
    1. Richard Collins posted on 08/01/2012 10:32 AM
      @GitaP The reason capital punishment doesn't work as a deterrent is the extensive waiting period between when someone is convicted and when the scumbag is killed. That period is full of additional hearings and appeals that mock the fact that the accused was found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. The proper way to enforce capital punishment would be for the execution to take place the same day as conviction.
    2. ArtC posted on 08/02/2012 12:35 PM
      @GitaP GitaP
      Mammoliti is just really looking for some attention.
      Don't take him too seriously after all he is part of Fords team.
      Good points on Texas. Yeah capital punishment is the answer! please..!
      Remind me again how that's working out in the U.S. and their crime rate.
      You know what's probably ironic. The NRA in the states probably agrees with capital punishment
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  3. Dave posted on 08/01/2012 12:22 PM
    Guns to automatically mean terrorist? What madness. So they will use something else. The problem is the existence of gangs not choice of weapons. These councillors ought to keep quiet.

    The terrorist label is used to subvert constitutional rights, here in Canada and to a much greater degree in the US. So we can act like it is the dark ages and make people disappear, or just kill them like capital punishment. And we though we had evolved a civil society? Not if we do that! So next I guess this genius councillor and those of like mind would also condone a kill list of Canadian citizens like the US has?

    Immigration is not the problem. Guns are not the problem. There are a great number of ways to commit violence. Get rid of the incentives for the violence. You can never get rid of all criminals nor all possible means of violence.

    Taking full control by the Canadian government over the Canadian borders - no so-called indigenous free-roaming between countries, would go a long way to solving illegal trade and travel.

    Eliminate all drug offences from the criminal code. There are so very many ways people can legally abuse themselves that the only thing the laws against drugs do is create a black market in which gangs and criminals thrive. Legally treat the drugs like alcohol and tobacco. That cuts out a great deal of the incentive for gangs and criminals.

    Next make prostitution legal and allow for brothels. You cannot regulate human behaviour. You can set reasonable rules for human behaviour that affects others in the community so regulate the industry them akin to how other adult industries are regulated, look at how other jurisdictions make it legal.

    Just because something is legal does not mean we all want to or will do it.

    Funny how they have no problem making gambling legal and collecting the money. Maybe the same incentive can be used to get government moving on drugs and prostitution.

    There is a huge net revenue in taxing drugs and prostitution rather than the huge next expenses in the courts and prison system.
  4. IsobelF posted on 08/01/2012 12:30 PM
    I would have thought that someone in Mr. Mammoliti's position knows that public housing is not just for welfare recipients. It is also for low income employed people who cannot afford to live anywhere else.

    So what is his proposal for employed Canadian citizens who live there?
    1. Jack posted on 08/01/2012 02:06 PM
      @IsobelF If they're not going to inform the police of what's going on in their community, they're just as guilty and deserve what they get.
  5. EdwardM_8180 posted on 08/01/2012 05:57 PM
    Jack

    There was a raise in gun violence in Martin groove and Finch Rexdale about, police tracked down the group that was terrorizing the area and they decided to go at night and do an operation where they would arrest all of them in their various homes. But the night the Police showed up, the group had been warned of the impending operation, so all guns and drugs were removed from all the houses and Police did not find any. How was this information leaked out of Police to the gangs that an operation was going to happen that night? Was it a black single mother that lives in TCHC? CFRB actually read that news exactly as I have stated it, Police went in but found all guns and drugs gone, and very immediately they dropped the story. I think they read it in the morning and they simply dropped it, but this is very interesting especially to a black parent like myself. Why was that issue let go? For it creates a whole lot of questions in a mind, for example do we have major controllers of drugs and guns in that area that are untouchable? Do our governors know them? Do these individuals get information if Police is going to carry out an operations, an access you and I and black kids do not have? You see that is where Mamoliti has to start from, by asking these questions, getting these individuals out of the area than going after 17 year olds and chasing them out of TCHC for they had a gun, for trust me another kid will get that gun for the governors don’t want to touch the source of the problem.

    Let me repeat myself. There is more drugs in this city than sugar, yet the sugar we use comes into the city by containers, so who clears these drugs? Is it Husbands? Or the shooter on Danzig street? Or the mother of Shaynne Charles Jerry Agar accuses of marrying the gang bangers? When you get a gun, who supplies you with the bullets? Honestly if one spends bullets as willingly as they did on Danzing street, that individual must have a very secure bullet supply. Who supplies them? Black 17 year olds? Even Mamoliti and Mayor Ford can chase all blacks out of this province, yet you will still have a gun problem and a drug problem, for the sources are never targeted. They are known but never targeted. You know I used to go to Keswick for a drive, very small and very village like, do you know that it today has a huge drug problem? How many black kids are in Keswick? How many buildings in Keswick are of TCHC? Now if drugs start in Keswick the shootings will start too, it is only when. And then who will you target in Keswick? Now that you will have done away with the entire black race in Ontario.

    Give me a break with the hypocrisy.

    EM
    A black parent
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