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Important Elections in Quebec and Ontario - Why they matter

Posted By: John Tory · 8/31/2012 12:26:00 PM

Two sets of elections in Canada's two biggest provinces next week and both are important.

In Quebec it is a full scale provincial election, probably called by Premier Jean Charest as a bit of a Hail Mary on the basis that his government was already suffering from terminal political fatigue and maybe a campaign would jolt people into forgetting about that and giving him one more chance.

That appears not to be happening. And before I predict a bad week for Mr Charest next week, I would remind us all of the fact that he did step up and take on the leadership of the Quebec Liberal party when it was no big prize and that he did serve as the most pro-Canada federalist Premier of Quebec in a long long time, and that was good for Quebec and good for Canada.

Whatever the increased role for the separatist Parti Quebecois after the election, it will be destabilizing for Quebec and for Canada. We haven't had to worry about that for all of the years Mr. Charest has been in office and I think we will be pining for his return in about 12 months if not sooner.

I learned through many campaigns, my own and others, that momentum is everything in the last 3 weeks and right now, the PQ is sitting atop the polls with some stability, the positive momentum is with the upstart CAQ led by the former separatist Francois Legault and the negative momentum is with Mr Charest and the Liberals. In the latter case, it’s like air leaking out of a tire--you just can't do much about it.

All of the pundits have been predicting a PQ majority for some time. I don't think they will make it to majority because I think a lot of Quebeckers know how damaging it will be to have the separatists back in government.

If they get a minority and the Liberals and CAQ get the majority of the seats I hope they will discuss what should then happen given what is at stake (years of separation anxiety)--that they should govern together for a while even, wait for it, with Mr. Charest remaining as Premier. Whether that is even viable will depend on just how badly his party does next week. I think they will do better than the total destruction being predicted, thus opening the door to a pro Canada arrangement.

In Ontario, only two by elections but they will have a big impact on the governance of Ontario and on the leadership of two political parties.

The Vaughan by-election will go convincingly to the Liberals. That may be why it was added to the one in Kitchener Waterloo--to ensure the Liberals had at least one win next Thursday and can claim they still dominate in the GTA-- a nut the PC's have to crack to form government.

The Kitchener Waterloo by election is more complicated. It’s a seat held by the PC's but not really a PC seat if you look at the long long history.

I think in the end the dissatisfaction with the McGuinty government will prevent them from snatching this seat from the PC's (let's face it this by election wouldn't have been happening if that hadn't been a possibility).

So who will win? It’s a tossup I think. And I would have to give the edge to the NDP. Why? Back to momentum. They have gained strength throughout the campaign, have a very respected and previously elected school board chair as their candidate and stand as a logical repository for voters like teachers who used to vote for the Liberals, have soured on them, but aren't happier with the PC's.

So let's say I am right. No change in the overall status in the Legislature if the Libs win one and lose one (the PC's are still very much in the fight in Kitchener Waterloo).

But watch what happens with regard to the leadership of two parties, Libs and PC's.

Dalton won't be under any pressure to go, but he will be thinking about it if he has failed to regain an effective majority.

And Tim Hudak has survived his mandatory leadership review quite handily but that won't stop the malcontents in his own Party from saying he couldn't hold a longtime PC seat or make a breakthrough in the GTA and they will be agitating against him. Trust me, I know from personal experience those vultures are just waiting for the chance and as an opposition party leader there is little you can do to quell these squalls, motivated entirely by the self interest of the agitators and without regard to the best interests of the Party.

Over to the voters and we'll see if I am right about any of this.

  

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    But watch what happens with regard to the leadership of two parties, Libs and PC's.
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    Over to the voters and we'll see if I am right about any of this.
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    Dalton won't be under any pressure to go, but he will be thinking about it if he has failed to regain an effective majority.
  5. nike free run 3 posted on 09/18/2012 03:21 AM
    The Kitchener Waterloo by election is more complicated. It’s a seat held by the PC's but not really a PC seat if you look at the long long history.
  6. CoffeeCon posted on 10/04/2012 06:54 PM
    Just to leave a real comment on the post, that it was informative and will advise my outlook approaching the upcoming election 'season'.

    Thanks
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  8. Larry Hotte posted on 10/24/2012 06:59 PM
    It is so nice to see Mr.Oleary's enlightened views when it come to unions. I guess the bottom line is most important when investing in China, ("Anyone promoting unions would eat dirt" or something to that effect). Yes if paying slave wages, not having to adhere to any regulations in regards to safety in the work place, the health of the employee, pay equity, child labour,environmental damage, then Kevin is correct, maximize profit and damn the workers, keep those unions out.
  9. john reid posted on 11/07/2012 07:20 PM
    McGinty Question: given that the power plant was moved by decision of the Liberal Party not the Liberal government, costing the taxpayers from 100 Million to 100 Billion (if you include transmission costs etc.) do you think this has resulted in a loss of resp[ect for your party by its supporterss and do you think this has resulted in a general cynycism(>) about politics by all residents of Ontario. Eventhough it bought you two or three seats woould you make the same decision again?
  10. April posted on 11/26/2012 06:13 PM
    I was not fond of Rob Ford but as a former resident of Toronto, I would have supported him as the rightful mayor who was voted in through our Democratic process. As an avid listner of CFRB, I have heard various persons
    trying every way to malign him, making fun of him and tossing Rob Ford off as a baffoon. It seems to me someone has spent a lot of time and resources seeking an opportunity to have the Mayor kicked out of office. It is a shame that these same resource were not used to find creative ways to reduce the budget while not having to reduce public services in detrimentals ways. I think this is a sad day for Toronto and a sadder day for Democracy. Shame on Paul Magder and Clayton Ruby.
  11. rose pilotti posted on 11/30/2012 11:33 PM
    Where is Bill Carroll.Haven't heard him in a while.
    1. CoffeeCon posted on 12/07/2012 06:00 PM
      @rose pilotti California, on a different radio station. He chats with John Tory around 5(?) every day for 10 minutes.
  12. Daniel posted on 12/05/2012 03:31 PM
    Re Tim Hudak's proposal on our 'archaic' liquor laws.

    Just for the record, you cannot purchase wine or spirits in grocery stores in Alberta, BC, Quebec, etc. Beer, yes.

    Less than 14 US states sell liquor in grocery stores and many with very strict parameters. As for the state of Washington, liquor is not available in stores smaller than 10,000 square feet. About 40 states sell beer in grocery stores.

    The idea that privatization would lower prices, as in Alberta and most US outlets where MINIMUM prices are set for alcoholic beverages, or that it would increase selection is ludicrous.

    Alberta's Wine and Beyond store recently was vying for the Guinness world record* as the world's largest liquor store' touting 6,000 different wines, 2,500 spirits and 18 varieties of beer on hand. The most recent report from the LCBO shows nearly 20,000 products available throughout the province and over 6,000 NEW VINTAGES in 2011-12.

    As for beer, The Beer Store has more than 350 brands from over 90 brewers around the world.

    Having virtually travelled around the world, I have yet to see a larger selection, better stored or managed outlets than those of the LCBO and The Beer Store. Ever tried to buy a good wine and/or one stored properly in Florida's corner stores.

    I understand that selling beer in the corner store would make it much more convenient. However, I doubt that the selection could ever be that great. As such, I would see the demise of many of the 200+ Canadian microbeer producers that we have today. With over 90 here in Ontario, I can surmise that they will become highly regionalized as are the wine selections that are available throughout most of the outlets in Europe.

    * Daveco Liquors in Thornton CO are still touting themselves to be the world's largest liquor store as proclaimed by the Guiness World Records in 2008. This even after recently been indicted and found guilty of the Colorado Organized Crime Control Act–for which they were made to pay $1.3 in exchange for dropping other counts of theft, computer crime and tax evasion.

    Interesting that so many talk about how archaic our liquor laws in Ontario are and more often compare us with our neighbours to the south. Try buying booze on Sunday in Texas or one of the other 13 states that have such Blue Laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquor_store#Canada

    By the way, it is the law (Federal) that all provincial liquor boards must act as the first importer of alcoholic beverages. So much for big American conglomerates coming in a distributing booze at a cheaper price.
  13. Bobbyboy posted on 12/07/2012 03:55 PM
    The issue with Mel Greig and Michael Christian's prank is that they didn't think beyond their ratings. In many ways this was a form of bullying on someone who was a caring, unfortunately gullable nurse.
    This was a typically crass Australian prank that has backfired. If you played a similar prank on your own CEO, you would be looking for a job, just not funny!
  14. Purandhar (Perry) Setlur posted on 01/02/2013 01:37 AM
    You keep bragging that you were a great CEO at Rogers. Kindly make your observations on the roaming charges complained about Rogers by a lady in BC.
    I am your regular listener and you may freely use my name.
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