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  1. @Angry Bill Bill,

    you seem to want to argue with something i didn't say.

    "To say that raising minimum wage across the board has no impact on the cost of goods as a result is, in my opinion, rather naive."

    Of course that's true. Who said it didnt? You might want to actually carefully read what i posted and if you disagree feel free to do so, but please don't make things up that i never said. Just to be clear I said that if min wage is increased that not ALL of that increase will be clawed back via highers costs of goods. Some of it will certainly, but the amount of the clawback would depend on many factors that we don't have the time to go though in this forum. And it certainly would not be all of it.


    As for your "raising min wage" impacts everyone's salary. Ir really doesn't. It will impact many that are at or or near the new min wage though, This is true.
  2. @Angry Bill Bill,

    To claim that the money gained to a min wage worker getting a raise is all clawed back via increased costs to them is pretty foolish. This would only be true if all workers make min wage (they don't) and all increased costs were passed on to the consumers in equal amount (they aren't).

    You need to raise the minimum wage to keep up with inflation or else there's no purpose having a min wage. The mistake our governments make is that they freeze min wage for years (expect Hudak to this if he's elected). This is the equivalant of taking a pay cut every year. And then at some point a new government tries to make up for lost time and dramatically increases the min wage and this negatively impacts the market. We need to come up with a proper min wage and then index this number to inflation on an ongoing basis. The debate should then die. That's the proper way to handle this, therefore it'll never happen.
  3. @Richard Collins I think that's a pretty stupid model to be honest - (the min wage and not a penny more). I think starting people at the lcbo at min wage is reasonable. But if you want good people to hang around (and you do) then you need to pay them more than min wage once they prove that they are good at their jobs.

    The biggest issue in govt isn't paying people a little more than they should get. It's the number of people we have working for the govt that we shouldn't have working for them at all. We can afford to "overpay" our teachers, police, etc. It's the 20 or so percent of people who we don't need at all that we need to clear out.
  4. i have studied economics - it was my major at U of T - and think that having a minimum wage is good public policy. In a welfare state economy like ours I believe it is absolutely necessary.

    Not sure how much more than minimum wage that a clerk working at LCBO should make however. Seems like a relatively low skill job, doesn't strike me as something that should demand much more than the workers get at your local retail establishments.
  5. agreed with Catherine - very sad. I lived in Rexdale from 1980 to 1993 and everytime i go back and look at our family home I want to cry. People have destroyed what was a nice middle class area.
  6. @proton you're very right about that 2nd part Proton. A lot of teachers want to resume extras (actually never wanted to drop them to begin with) but they'd be blacklisted by their union and some of their co-workers. Not exactly a great choice.

    The vast majority of teachers have zero intersest in all this garbage and would be thrilled if they were made essential workers and to just have their salaries mirror the inflation rate going forward. All this stuff does is cause more friction into their lives and they want no part of it (this is why the union leader doesn't hear from them). It's not worth the trouble.
  7. @Mark yes the teachers have been spoiled with raises that have basically mirrored inflation over the decade of liberal rule. In other words they will make the same amount (in real dollars) at the end of this contract that they did when Mike Harris left office. These are spoiled people in line at the trough? Really?

    If the rest of the goverment kept to the same policy of raises that mirrored inflation then I don't think we'd have the trouble we have. They didn't. But people aren't smart enough to look at the real problems in government (and here's a clue - it's not the average teacher salary).
  8. @jim someone else who sucks at math.

    Why is that all the teacher haters appear to have not paid any attention during math class when they were at school?
  9. @Roger Roger - your post really confuses me on so many levels. I guess I should handle them one by one:

    "Dalton gave these people EVERYTHING they wanted for years, and as soon as he figured out that that was not sustainable, wow look at the temper tantrum"

    Really? He did. An average raise that is slighly over inflation is "everything they wanted"? The last contract negotiation actually ended with one of the unions (public elementary I think) refusing the deal and going to mediation because Dalton wouldn't go above the, I think, 2% annual raise that was offered over the 4 years.

    "Don't whine to me about preparation time and so on, try and find a teacher at school before 8:30am or after 3:30pm. "

    As the spouse of teacher - I can tell you that in the 8 years we've been married she has never gotten to work at 8:30 or left at 3:30 once on a school day. Not sure what school you work at that you would know when teachers arrive at work. At the school my son goes to I know that he's dropped off at about 8:15 and there's always teachers in the yard watching them at that point. I guess all their watches are broken.


    "The Union protects its members at all costs, as Unions do. The Union is not looking out for the best interests of the students"

    When did it become the job of the union to look out for the best interest of the students? Isn't that the job of, I don't know, the school boards and the government? The union's job is to protect their members.


    Some parts of your post I completely agree with (that Union management is completely out of touch for instance) but so much of it flies in the face of the truth that the solid parts get lost in the storm of garbage.
  10. @JoeBoner about the worst comparison one could ever make. Congrats Boner.