Mayor Ford tried to buy crack video?: New court documents

New documents reveal, the Mayor also frequented what police call 'a crack house'...

Mayor Rob Ford

We've been given the green light to share the next round of documents coming from the Sandro Lisi ITO, the one that heavily involves Mayor Rob Ford.

This round, deals with wiretaps and intercepted conversations. Ford's voice was never heard, but his name was mentioned.

There are a couple of interesting items contained in these documents.

One surrounds April 20th. That is an interesting day, because just after midnight, police intercepted a conversation by Elena Basso - who lives at that now infamous home at 15 Windsor Road, who called a man named Liban Siyad, and indicated that Mayor Ford was there and Siyad needed to come quickly. That call was made at just after midnight.

But less than 12 hours later, Ford was at a community event in Etobicoke, with children present.

Criminal Lawyer Edward Prutschi says these conversatsion show how much Ford was involved with the criminal underworld.

Another one of the major points, according to Prutschi, was when Ford's phone went missing also on April 20th.

In later conversations that were intercepted, the people involved didn't seem to care, since they had pictures of Ford, "on the pipe."

But later on, the documents suggest that the phone was returned to a member of Ford's entourage for '1.5 of kush (street slang for marijuana). Another conversation suggested the men weren't pleased with being threatened by Lisi.

There were a few conversations surrounding the alleged crack video, and Ford's knowledge of it.

The people who had the video, had indicated Ford offered 5 thousand dollars and a car,  but they were going to offer it for sale for 100-150 thousand dollars.

When it comes to the shooting death of Anthony Smith, one of the three men featured in a now infamous photo in front of 15 Windsor Road, police have indicated that it had nothing to do with the crack video, rather was revenge for an earlier robbery.

None of the allegations have been proven in court.

Rob Ford court documents: ITO With Pub Ban-edited by Crown-Dec 3 13

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  1. Tom Carrigan posted on 12/04/2013 05:27 PM
    Not bad...$5,000 plus a car for a video "that may not even exist".
  2. Sonny posted on 12/04/2013 05:50 PM
    It is obvious our criminal mayor was hanging around getting drunk & high! Stealing time instead of respecting the taxpayer...
    1. David posted on 12/04/2013 07:35 PM
      @Sonny When is enough enough, Mayor Ford show some leadership and go get help and let the city have time to heal. The gravy train has derailed.
  3. David posted on 12/04/2013 07:37 PM
    When is enough enough, Mayor Ford show some leadership and go get help and let the city have time to heal. The gravy train has derailed.
    1. Mark posted on 12/04/2013 09:26 PM
      @David Hey hey, ho ho, this big fat slob has got to go! (repeat)

      What more is there to say...
  4. Gay for ford posted on 12/04/2013 08:06 PM
    Nothing new here this story thanks to the chief is like groundhog day. Once again have to hear the faux outrage from the lefties at city hall their new tag line why is not the mayor charged like they could not have made that claim two Itos ago obliviously thought they did not have to now that the mayor is just as popular let's shame the chief . Gay urbanite will stil will vote for ford not a con incidence like always the news comes the day after the liberal had an awful day talk about media collusion .
  5. Art posted on 12/04/2013 08:53 PM
    the best thing all the law abiding citizens of this city can do is shun the creep like many organizations have done and i'm sure more to come will do. i pity the creep but have zero sympathy
  6. Alex posted on 12/04/2013 09:05 PM
    This guy may be a candidate for handcuffs.
  7. Mark posted on 12/04/2013 09:24 PM
    OMG... this mayor is such a disgrace. He needs to! The sad part is there is still some in Fraud Nation who will still say "so what he saved the tax payers money" lol! What a joke!
  8. Alex posted on 12/04/2013 10:14 PM
    I wonder what the number has dwindled to in 'Ford Nation'.
    Two....Rob and Doug.
    1. REALITY BITES posted on 12/05/2013 08:16 AM
      @Alex Unfortunately, Alex, I think it might be as much as 5.
      Let's not forget Peter, Mark7 and, of course, Karl.
  9. Walter posted on 12/04/2013 10:25 PM
    Based on yesterdays disgraceful display of Premier Wynne testifying at the Gas Plant sandal and the Mayor Ford revelations today, you would think that anyone who supports either should be questioned for sanity.
  10. Mike from the hinterland posted on 12/05/2013 07:01 AM
    This is sooooo good! I can hardly wait! I am watching all the pundits head explode, the Ford haters a, Ford Nation and of course the Radio talk show hosts go nuts!

    It time for a new XMAS song.

    Robbie the crack head Mayor had very shiny crack pipe!
    Some would even say it glowed!
    All of the other councillors used to laugh and call him names!
    They never let poor Robbie play with any of his drugs!
    Then one foggy Christmas night, Santa came to say, Robbie with your crack pipe
    so bright won't you guide my sleigh tonight!
    Then all the councillors loved him as they shouted out with glee He was led of to rehab. Robbie the crack head Mayor you will go down in history!

    Congratulations to the Republic of Toronto and Long live Robbie the crack head!
    1. Joe posted on 12/05/2013 07:32 AM
      @Mike from the hinterland Too funny! Lol! It will be an enjoyable next few days!
    2. Mark7 posted on 12/05/2013 12:39 PM
      @Mike from the hinterland Small things amuse small minds. One day you may mature.
  11. Karl Burgin posted on 12/05/2013 09:51 AM
    **To the regulars who like to critique my spelling, grammar, and whether I use the Queen's English vs. the Canadian English, please do excuse if I make any faux pas' here. I am typing all this on my BlackBerry Z10. So if I didn't write this up to par, in that it doesn't meet your high standards, I do apologize in advance.

    Hmmm... that's interesting. I've listened to at least 6 different shows, numerous news casts on different stations, and they ALL preface their reporting with: "...these are only allegations, and nothing has been proven or verified. And all conversations are hearsay." And yet they fail ton do that here...

    Not worried about anything here. Solely because, these documents that are supposed to be for public interest- the only thing this release (and prior releases) has accomplished, is an environment for more speculation.
    Haters cannot properly give a proper argument because nothing here is concrete. And I can't necessarily defend any of the actions of the mayor, or speak to them, because I don't know which is true, which is false, and which is speculative.

    The only thing this ITO has done, is do more harm than good. And I have to agree with Dennis Morris (mayor's lawyer) that this is a smear campaign. Because these documents have to do with Lisi's case- yet the sole attention seems to be on the mayor. And since the mayor isn't on trial or convicted of anything, the man can't even properly defend himself- or answer to any of the claims properly. Because if the mayor decides to answer to any of the claims, unless the critics get the answer they want to hear, they will just say he's lying again.
    And this is why I have such a problem with court documents like this being released from its proper environment, to be tried in the court of public opinion. It does nobody any good, and any lawsuit that may ensue, is going to taint any possibility for a jury pool, within North America.

    The way this should have been handled differently:
    *Toronto police shouldn't have been involved in this. Should either have been handled by the OPP, RCMP, or some other third-party
    *Although I would be the first to usually harp on the media for fighting for the release of the ITO, and I do hold at at some fault (very small fault), in this- I would actually place most of my blame on the Judge, and whoever else was involved, who agreed to make this public. I'm not sure what they may or may not be smoking- but the sorry excuse that the public 'needs to know' is utter bull-crap
    *I'm also hearing (especially from the lawyers who's been commenting) that the police is partially to blame, in the way they wrote up the report. That may be an avenue that could be explored, but I don't think you could necessarily blame them for anything. But yet again, the bad optics on the police could have been avoided, if another policing body other than Toronto Police were looking into the matter

    ***Also for the regulars (you know who you are) who like to attack me, because they think I like to make excuses for the mayor, take this into consideration:
    I was right about merging allegations with fact as a bad thing- here's why. It has become a common belief that Anthony Smith died because of somehow being involved with Ford, and the crack video. This article actually proves to the contrary- beyond a reasonable doubt.
    Also, in the crack video, people say he's racist because of the things he said in the video. How can that be, when it seems he hangs around a lot with black people/Somalis (allegedly)?

    The bottom-line is, this still doesn't pass the smell test. And the only way we can put this behind us once and for all, is if all information can be verified- and the mayor can tell his side, without be heckled, and without being doubted. This 'Chinese water torture' method we're all being subjected to, with the information that we're being fed, isn't helping anyone.
    1. RickC_1236 posted on 12/05/2013 10:46 AM
      @Karl Burgin You’re all alone now Karl do you not realize we laugh at you and the few remaining crack nation supporters that are left here .You are not getting paid enough to defend this man wake up.
    2. Mark posted on 12/05/2013 01:05 PM
      @Karl Burgin OMG... too funny. It always amazes me to see what ridiculous lengths some people will go to to avoid admitting the truth. If it makes you feel comfortable keeping your head buried in the sand be my guest, but if for a second you truly believe that this social misfit should remain Toronto's mayor you're sadly mistaken.
  12. Frankie posted on 12/05/2013 11:16 AM
    It's interesting how rabid people have become about Ford. In addition to his being the author of his own problems there's no question he was vilified long before any of this came out. i guess enough people (including most councillors) enjoy wasting taxpayer money and living off other people's backs to an unreasonable extent.

    Contrast that with the minimal furor directed at McGuinty for the following -

    Caledonia - he instructs the OPP to keep away while a man is practically beaten to death. That alone should have caused enough furor to have him removed from office, yet the public and media are relatively quiet

    eHealth - a billion dollar disaster with nothing to show for it
    Ornge - another billion dollar disaster

    Green energy - he's wasted several billions of our money on his hair-brained schemes that forces us to pay $1 for something that should cost 10¢. European governments that have been experimenting with green energy have pulled back because it doesn't make sense economically while McGuinty proudly shouts out Ontario will be the most green region in N. America. Way to go Dalton!

    gas plants - need I say more?

    The damage these Liberals have caused is unprecedented in Ontario yet they keep getting voted in again and again.

    Perhaps if the same energy were applied against the Liberals we'd have gotten rid of them and avoided much of the billions of hard-earned taxpayer dollars that have been wasted.

    Yet most people would rather spend their energy on Ford, which is a minor issue compared to the above. I'm not minimizing Ford's mess, merely pointing out that people are more focused on a penny when someone's stealing thousands of dollars from them.

    Doesn't bode well for our future, does it?
    1. Brian posted on 12/05/2013 12:01 PM
      @Frankie I notice that you did not mention was is going in the senate with the PMO office - I do not support any party because you can be blinded - as is shown by the people who are currently supporting Rob Ford. -

      I am hoping that you are not saying we should be contented to have Rob Ford as the mayor because McGuinty wasted more money that him!!
    2. Karl Burgin posted on 12/05/2013 12:02 PM
      @Frankie Joe Warmington made an interesting comment last night on Friendly Fire- of which I have alluded to before. That this has set a new precedent for future cases in the future. Especially if they (for whatever reason) become high profile.
      If the media deem it necessary or important, for court documents concerning cases to exposed, it can now happen- for it to be tried in the court of public opinion. And the excuse that Mayor Ford is different, because he is a public figure is beside the point. All of the proper standards and procedures, that something of this magnitude is suppose to follow, is being thrown out the window- all for the sake of giving the people their 'fix'.
      Now this type of 'public lynching' can technically be applied to everyone. Fortunately, Ford is a big boy, and has a strength of character (and a strong pocket book) to hold his own. I can't say the same for anyone else, who may become subject to the same scrutiny, and public humiliation.

      On the other hand, if this doesn't get applied to anyone else, and only to Rob Ford, then it would just prove Ford nation right all along- that the media, seemingly the police, the Star, and certain members of the judicial system, were all out to 'get' Ford. While, this also is very hard to prove (I would leave that task to Dennis Morris), perception still speaks volumes.

      Only time will tell FRANKIE....
  13. dan posted on 12/05/2013 05:41 PM
    Who can be more reliable than drug dealers? NO wonder they are the true media sources in Toronto relied upon by virtually all local "top-notch" journalists.
  14. No Longer Confused posted on 12/05/2013 10:04 PM
    At last I found it !!!

    The permanent cure for insomnia is any one of Karl Burgin's treatises.

    Thank you, Karl. Your extreme verbosity is better than any sleeping pill.
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 12/06/2013 10:28 AM
      @No Longer Confused I'm glad I can be of service. Hopefully it also keeps you away from posting your sorry excuses for insults on here as well.

      Sweet dreams.
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