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WATCH: NDP say you're getting dinged on your hydro bills

Energy critic Peter Tabuns points to how the province sells off electricity

You're paying $220 extra a year, because the Ontario government is giving away electricity to other areas.

That's according to the province's NDP, who reveal Ontario is selling off power to places like Michigan, New York, Minnesota and Quebec for less than what it costs to produce.

NDP energy critic Peter Tabuns maintains the province was giving away power while hundreds of thousands of people in Southern Ontario were sitting in the dark over the holidays because of ice storm-related black outs.

He says the energy system is broken.

Tabuns points to numbers released by the Independent Electricity System Operator (IESO), which show Ontario has been selling off electricity for 2.65 cents/KWh. It costs four times as much - 8.55 cents/KWh - to produce.

He says Ontario ratepayers subsidized electricity exports by over $1 billion in 2013.

Tabuns underlines Ontario should be focused on delivering electricity to Ontario businesses and families, not selling it off for wholesale prices.

Premier Kathleen Wynne was defensive about the NDP's claims. She says when the Liberals came into office in 2003 the electricity system was in shambles.

In a statement,  the province says exporting energy actually saved ratepayers $300 million dollars.

Progressive Conservative energy critic Lisa MacLeod doesn't buy it. She says the province should negotiate with other jurisdictions to get more money for surplus energy.

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  1. Frankie posted on 01/20/2014 10:34 AM
    What a genius! We never knew why we were getting so screwed on electricity rates. Thanks Mr. Tabuns.

    First, blame all the Liberal voters that kept McGuinty and his incompetent party in power. Secondly, blame Horvath and the NDP for propping up those same Liberals so they could continue to fiscally destroy Ontario.

    Mr. Tabuns, I suggest you look in the mirror as your part of the reason we're getting screwed.
  2. Ernie posted on 01/20/2014 10:38 AM
    So what exactly is Tabuns recommending for a fix?

    Excess electricity is being sold to the US and Quebec not because there is a whim to give it away - but because manufacturing has been damaged so much in Ontario that we currently have a excess of production capacity AND our electrical capacity is INFLEXIBLE to turn off or on.

    If you shut off a nuclear plant because you have too much power at 1 am, you cannot turn the nuclear plant back on for the surge at 9 am. It takes 6 months to restart a nuclear plant once shut down.

    But wind and solar is no better. The Ontario Liberal Government in their stupidity negotiated wind and solar contracts which included buying electricity when THEN DONT NEED IT instead of turning it off. This is because the wind and solar operators could otherwise not justify building the unneeded capacity unless they had delivery guarantees ! Privatising the electrical delivery system doesn't sound like such a good idea anymore does it !

    If Quebec is buying our power, even they realize its cheaper to pay 2.65 cents per kwh instead of using their own water resources.

    The real solution is to use Nuclear power to do what it was originally intended to do: That is - run full out all the time and when you don't need the power, use the electricity to generate hydrogen by breaking down water ie H20. The hydrogen should be used as a fuel energy for heating or automobiles, or even for feeding hydrogen electrical generation plants (instead of natural gas) for peak times.. Hydrogen burns clean ie does not produce C02. Even McGuinty's natural gas plants produce C02 !
  3. Ernie posted on 01/20/2014 10:47 AM
    BTW Tabuns statement that it costs 8.65 cents per kwh to produce shows you that he is a complete idoit.

    The first thing that Ontario should be shutting off per my previous post - but does not - is solar - which costs 81.5 cents per kwh to produce not 8.55 cents per kwh. McGuinty gave very lucrative contracts under the FIT program to create phantom jobs - which never happened.

    The next thing that should be shut off is wind - the cost for wind is about 23 cents per kwh.

    Then you shut off natural gas plants - the cost of natural gas is 8.65 cents per kwh as reported

    Then you shut down coal - although Ontario's coal capacity is nearly zero already. Coal costs 4 cents per kwh but it can more easily be turned on and off.

    Then you shut down hydro (ie water generation - Niagara falls) because it costs about 2-2 1/2 cents per kwh. You might be able to argue that they are making a profit or breaking even selling this type of power.

    The last thing you shut down is nuclear. Nuclear costs 4.5 cents per kwh and costs slightly more than coal, but due to its inflexibility you cant turn it off and on.
  4. Ernie posted on 01/20/2014 10:54 AM
    The ultimate stupidity is the smart meters - they were intended to help us conserve power - which we now have an excess of - not because of conservation but because manufacturing has left Ontario.

    To give you a relative idea of how much power manufacturing uses, there used to be a steel mill in Whitby Ontario called Lasco steel. Lasco steel used as much power in its one plant as the rest of the city of Whitby combined! Lasco is now gone !
  5. john posted on 01/20/2014 10:55 AM
    no REALY thank u Shurlock for telling me something i did know already .

    i apologize to Shurlock homes u are a lot smarter then this guy is .
  6. Karl Burgin posted on 01/20/2014 12:57 PM
    We knew we were being screwed over by the Liberals- it was just a question as to how badly. Now we know. The fix: vote them out and let somebody else- ANYONE else to run things in this province.
  7. Angry Bill posted on 01/20/2014 01:09 PM
    Regardless of how the libs are screwing us, the NDP gave up any right to complain about this lib government that they are propping up. The day they decided to prop up the libs is the day they lost all right to complain about anything the libs do.
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 01/20/2014 03:04 PM
      @Angry Bill Well, in their case they do have the right to complain. Its called having a lover's quarrel....lol
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