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Toronto Police revising 'carding' policy
The five-page draft report says procedures need to be developed that would ensure compliance with human rights laws
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About 80 people gathered at a board meeting Thursday to get a look at the first draft policy on police carding -- collecting personal information from people and adding it to an internal database.
    
Lawyer Frank Addario, who was hired to create the policy by the Toronto Police Services Board in December, said ending carding would just drive bad practices underground, adding that carding has fallen dramatically _ 83 or 90 per cent _ in the past year.
    
But the five-page draft report says procedures need to be developed that would ensure compliance with human rights laws, such as the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Ontario Human Rights Code and municipal laws.
    
It addressed issues like the definition of police ``stops'' and ``detentions'' and the legal rules surrounding them.
    
``Eliminating carding would be simplistic. It would not improve the police service's reputation or public trust. Instead, it would frustrate the board's oversight function and affect their ability to communicate with the community,'' Addario said.

But he says police need to explain why they have stopped someone, and give them a chance to call a lawyer. While the law ``gives the police great freedom to question individuals before a detention,'' it also ``emphasizes the importance of identifying when the police-citizen encounter turns into a detention,'' according to the draft policy.
    
It also states that ``Not every interaction between police and a citizen is a detention.''
    
Addario consulted several sources to draft the policy, like Toronto police and Toronto Police Association, social scientists, lawyers and community members, Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario and the Ontario Human Rights Commission.
    
Jamil Jivani of the Policing Literary Initiative says it is much more admirable to advance the policy of carding than to simply change it.
    
``It's important for officers to make people feel that it's not their identity or the way they look that is the reason they are being stopped,'' Jivani said.
    
There was little discussion and some members of the public were dismayed they couldn't get a glimpse at the draft policy. It was placed on the Toronto Police Services Board website after the meeting was underway, and there were fewer than 30 hard copies available.
    
Addario expects the full final policy to be upheld for examination at a special board meeting on April 8, where the public can submit feedback orally, and adopted on April 10. For now, people can submit feedback in writing to the board.
    
Police board chair Alok Mukherjee said while the board would like the policy to be finalized in April, they will not tie themselves to the exact date of April 10.

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  1. don was right posted on 03/14/2014 08:55 AM
    The Nazis used the same policy of demanding papers and information from targetted groups. Different racial tagrget, same process, same result.

    Time to stop this practice and fire the people who put it in place and still think it is a good idea.
    1. HP posted on 03/14/2014 09:14 AM
      @don was right That's funny...all people in positions of authority demand that you prove who you are. Not just law enforcement, but all levels of government, religions, the military...even my library demanded ID before they renewed my card.

      The article mentions that carding has dropped by over 80% but fails to mention that the drop was a result of the police being required to issue receipts to those they card. The cops can't hide behind their badges anymore, mush like those that took off their name tags when they beat people during the G20.

      All of your information is already available to all levels of government and law enforcement anyway...they can run your plate and know everything about you in 3 seconds...being stopped on the street for no reason and asked for ID was always legal, you would be charged if you didn't comply...factor in CSIS, the NSA, and Facebook reading everything you post and send, privacy is no longer an issue...in America you even fly naked.
  2. don was right posted on 03/14/2014 10:35 AM
    "asked for ID was always legal"

    What country are you from where this is legal? Not Canada
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About 80 people gathered at a board meeting Thursday to get a look at the first draft policy on police carding -- collecting personal information from people and adding it to an internal database.
    
Lawyer Frank Addario, who was hired to create the policy by the Toronto Police Services Board in December, said ending carding would just drive bad practices underground, adding that carding has fallen dramatically _ 83 or 90 per cent _ in the past year.
    
But the five-page draft report says procedures need to be developed that would ensure compliance with human rights laws, such as the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Ontario Human Rights Code and municipal laws.
    
It addressed issues like the definition of police ``stops'' and ``detentions'' and the legal rules surrounding them.
    
``Eliminating carding would be simplistic. It would not improve the police service's reputation or public trust. Instead, it would frustrate the board's oversight function and affect their ability to communicate with the community,'' Addario said.

But he says police need to explain why they have stopped someone, and give them a chance to call a lawyer. While the law ``gives the police great freedom to question individuals before a detention,'' it also ``emphasizes the importance of identifying when the police-citizen encounter turns into a detention,'' according to the draft policy.
    
It also states that ``Not every interaction between police and a citizen is a detention.''
    
Addario consulted several sources to draft the policy, like Toronto police and Toronto Police Association, social scientists, lawyers and community members, Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario and the Ontario Human Rights Commission.
    
Jamil Jivani of the Policing Literary Initiative says it is much more admirable to advance the policy of carding than to simply change it.
    
``It's important for officers to make people feel that it's not their identity or the way they look that is the reason they are being stopped,'' Jivani said.
    
There was little discussion and some members of the public were dismayed they couldn't get a glimpse at the draft policy. It was placed on the Toronto Police Services Board website after the meeting was underway, and there were fewer than 30 hard copies available.
    
Addario expects the full final policy to be upheld for examination at a special board meeting on April 8, where the public can submit feedback orally, and adopted on April 10. For now, people can submit feedback in writing to the board.
    
Police board chair Alok Mukherjee said while the board would like the policy to be finalized in April, they will not tie themselves to the exact date of April 10.

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  1. don was right posted on 03/14/2014 08:55 AM
    The Nazis used the same policy of demanding papers and information from targetted groups. Different racial tagrget, same process, same result.

    Time to stop this practice and fire the people who put it in place and still think it is a good idea.
    1. HP posted on 03/14/2014 09:14 AM
      @don was right That's funny...all people in positions of authority demand that you prove who you are. Not just law enforcement, but all levels of government, religions, the military...even my library demanded ID before they renewed my card.

      The article mentions that carding has dropped by over 80% but fails to mention that the drop was a result of the police being required to issue receipts to those they card. The cops can't hide behind their badges anymore, mush like those that took off their name tags when they beat people during the G20.

      All of your information is already available to all levels of government and law enforcement anyway...they can run your plate and know everything about you in 3 seconds...being stopped on the street for no reason and asked for ID was always legal, you would be charged if you didn't comply...factor in CSIS, the NSA, and Facebook reading everything you post and send, privacy is no longer an issue...in America you even fly naked.
  2. don was right posted on 03/14/2014 10:35 AM
    "asked for ID was always legal"

    What country are you from where this is legal? Not Canada
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