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Debate: ''Ford is the only candidate who can really feel good''

Ford, Chow, Tory, Stintz & Soknacki duke it out

"Rob Ford is the only candidate who can really feel good about his performance."

Newstalk 1010 host and Senior Editor at The Grid Magazine, Edward Keenan says while there was no knock-out punch, Ford left the best impression among the five mayoral candidates in Wednesday's televised debate. The sitting mayor faced off with Olivia Chow, John Tory, Karen Stintz and David Soknacki in a session punctuated by un-moderated free-for-alls, with candidates shouting over one another to be heard.

"He (Ford) was the one who looked the most in command of what he wanted to say, he was completely unflustered, he didn't look nervous, he didn't speak from notes."

While Keenan says Ford beating the drum on his economic policy is unlikely to have persuaded fact-checkers or those who follow city politics closely, the mayor's calm demeanour and sticking to message likely left an impression on casual viewers.

Keenan doesn't get the impression Ford's challengers did much preparation ahead of the debate.

While he thinks Olivia Chow made strong points in debate and had some good lines, "it seemed to me that quite a few times, she tried to work her way around to a clever line...rather than following a straight line of thought." Keenan calls John Tory and his performance "unmemorable".

Toronto voters will choose the city's mayor October 27th.

RELATED: Little direct mention of Rob Ford's scandals at first mayoral debate

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  1. Fact Provider posted on 03/27/2014 05:52 AM
    Ford was the only one who stayed on message.
    Unfortunately, the message was full of half truths and hollow rhetoric.

    Chow tried too hard to be everyone's person.
    She came off as shallow.

    Tory was the only one who seemed to have a sensible outlook on things but he needs to step up his game significantly. He did not look "leaderly" at all.

    Stintz and Soknacki were not factors despite trying hard to be heard in the din of that extremely poor format.
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 08:57 AM
      @Fact Provider "Ford was the only one who stayed on message.
      Unfortunately, the message was full of half truths and hollow rhetoric."

      Aren't we being a tad bitter?
    2. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 08:58 AM
      @Fact Provider Not only does Rob feel good, but when he eats his honey, he eats good too.
    3. Fact Provider posted on 03/27/2014 10:06 AM
      @Karl Burgin No, Karl - just telling the truth with no delusional spin.
      You should try it.
    4. tanjo posted on 03/27/2014 10:16 AM
      @Fact Provider I found the debate to be very poorly moderated and chaos ensued. Ford thrives on chaos. He was in his element.

      I would LOVE to see Nunziata up there trying to control the candidates. No nonsense. She would make Judge Judy cry!
    5. tanjo posted on 03/27/2014 10:22 AM
      @Fact Provider "Ford was the only one who stayed on message.
      Unfortunately, the message was full of half truths and hollow rhetoric."

      There is no point attacking the rhetoric in March. I think some of the candidates are counting on Ford not being in the race in September

      .. and if he is, and stays "on message", *that* is when you attack.
    6. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 10:34 AM
      @Karl Burgin Do not fret, Karl. Fiction Provider has yet to have a valid point to make.
    7. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 10:38 AM
      @Mark7 Hey doofus aka donny p. Every time you TRY to emulate, you idiotic and infantile writing style shows through, big time! May I suggest that since this is all you have to do with your life, that you at least not make it so obvious? lol
    8. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 12:19 PM
      @Mark7 Gotta agree...posing as someone else to make some idiotic point that really is meant to be degrading- is really getting old.
  2. don was right posted on 03/27/2014 09:23 AM
    Tory has admitted to smoking weed, which he obviously baught from drug dealers.

    Choiw and Layton were probbbly high every day. CBC.ca says she said she smoked when she was a trustee. Certainly got HER weed from a criminal drug dealer as well. Google says Jack inhaled.

    Nobady cares what Stinz and Socknaki did
    1. tanjo posted on 03/27/2014 10:30 AM
      @don was right This may sound weird, but I am starting to be impressed by Socknacki. He actually did a pretty good job on the budget *despite* being in a very NDP centric environment.

      He certainly seems to be showing the most leadership, taking a (viable) stand. He just doesn't seem to be considered a serious contender yet.

      I am waiting to see.
    2. AdrianoC1981 posted on 03/27/2014 11:22 AM
      @tanjo If you can't realize that this is 3 horse race, then maybe your better off reading the comic section of the Toronto Star. Oh, sorry, I forgot. The whole Toronto star newspaper is a joke as a matter of fact.
    3. tanjo posted on 03/27/2014 11:46 AM
      @AdrianoC1981 Granted there do appear to be three front-runners in the polls.

      All I am saying is that I am keeping my eyes and ears open. I suggest you do you same.

      The candidates that strike me as the most capable of implementing a fiscally conservative agenda are the ones being largely ignored at the moment.
    4. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 03:53 PM
      @tanjo Respectfully, I doubt Socknacki and Stinsk are going to be in for long...
      ..and it will be a three legged race between Chow, Ford and Tory. Although, if Chow keeps it up, she is going be a distant third.
  3. AC posted on 03/27/2014 10:08 AM
    everyone should just chill out smoke a little j and chill to some jazz and go on with their lives. election is 7 months away
    the outcome is clear voters won't change their mind no matter what.
    Olivia Chow will be the next mayor thanks to the disaster of the last 4 yrs. even though Tory would be a very good mayor.
    Ford won't even be on the ballot come Oct. 27 nor should he be. he's yesterdays comedy news. if the cops don't get to him first he will see the further he goes the more he embarrasses himself.
    1. Frankie posted on 03/27/2014 10:23 AM
      @AC I am moved to tears (of the crocodile variety) every time Chow mentions she's from a poor immigrant family. My heart breaks. So was my family, but they worked very hard to make a living, and it wasn't off the backs of taxpayers.

      My family also knows the value of a dollar, that is a dollar we earn.

      Chow knows the value of a dollar she spends of OUR money, not hers.

      She would make Miller and the Ontario Liberals look fiscally responsible.

      If we wanted communism my family would have moved to the Soviet Union or Cuba or N. Korea, certainly not Toronto.
    2. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 10:45 AM
      @AC "Olivia Chow will be the next mayor thanks to the disaster of the last 4 yrs. even though Tory would be a very good mayor."

      "Which mayoral candidate do you think won the first major debate?
      Olivia Chow. 11.2%
      Rob Ford. 60.6%
      David Soknacki. 2.1%
      Karen Stintz. 1.0%
      John Tory. 25.0%
      BACK
      UPDATED: 9:40 AM | DISCLAIMER"

      OH REALLY?
    3. sam posted on 03/27/2014 11:04 AM
      @Mark7 yawn... ! boring! are you going to bore us with some right wing leaning poll of an election debate that is 7 months away? REALLY? are you going to that? just like AC says debates won't change anything at the top maybe the middle. just like Ford voters won't change their vote. Chow voters won't change either.
      She wins!
      VOTE FOR OLIVIA CHOW!!! VOTE FOR OLIVIA CHOW!!!
  4. AdrianoC1981 posted on 03/27/2014 10:10 AM
    If all these candidates(and I use the term candidates very loosely) can't seem to out wit or debate our so called "crackhead" Mayor, then maybe they should just bow out of the mayoral race NOW. Mayor Rob Ford reminded me of a bear protecting his territory. From every angle in which the attacks came, Mayor Ford repeatedly fended them off and came back on the offensive immediately. This is exactly the kind of person I want leading my city, protecting us from the animails(NDP/LIBERALS) that continually try to attack our pockets. We need a person who will stand up and not back down from attacks both political & personal. None of these other so called candidates have a backbone that is 1/4 that of our current Mayor. I am 100% satisfied with the job Mayor Ford has done for the past 4 years and I will continue to support him in the 2014 mayoral race. You have my vote Mayor Ford.
    1. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 10:57 AM
      @AdrianoC1981 Bravo!

      The reason Rob has a hardcore support which cannot be broken, is because of what you stated. We will not bail on Rob because of what he does on his personal time. It is a pity and a travesty that so many have been duped by a media completely out of control ...The media is far more out of control than
      Rob has ever been.

      The Ford Haters Club wants him to lose so badly that they can taste their bitter souls in their mouths. If you think Rob is not going to win again, you are sorely mistaken. Nothing could be more obvious.

      FORD MORE YEARS! Deal with it haters, it shall transpire. Yes!!!
    2. StephenS_5505 posted on 03/27/2014 11:15 AM
      @Mark7 Drunk in public represent the office of mayor and the city is not personal time. I suppose you'd be happy to the mayor, his brother and their assorted criminal friends living right next to you. Just remember that when he drives drunk down your road and your kids are out playing or associates of the mayor are rolling up to sell drugs out the windows of there car. If your all up on person time then I guess your all up on above.
    3. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 12:41 PM
      @Mark7 Another Doofus pretending to be me...this is getting boring but glad to see that this DP is supporting our sainted leader! I really hate identity theft so from now on only I will post a Mark7. That should end the posters getting DP'd by this Doofus. There will no longer be 2 Mark7's...all my posts will be genuine!

      FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS
  5. Dennis posted on 03/27/2014 10:32 AM
    I'll just read with amusement the ongoing talk but won't comment on the posts on the Ford supporters and their rhetoric on further debates. too funny! talk radio 1010 & 640 am is basically right leaning the rest of us have work to do..
    1. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 11:03 AM
      @Dennis Right leaning, far far right, is what we want and need. That is unless you are in a union or are rich, which is what lefties will always aspire to while treating all the rest of us as fodder.

      You must be of a young and tender age, if you do not see that the left has NEVER been fiscally responsible.

      People with your mindset finally answers an important question i have had for over 3 decades. Now I know why the criminal Fiberals, like all lefties get votes at all. Some simply cannot see past their noses.
    2. StephenS_5505 posted on 03/27/2014 11:16 AM
      @Mark7 What un-named federal government is currently running the biggest defecit in history and has spending at 2x the rate of inflation. Hmmm
    3. AC posted on 03/27/2014 11:24 AM
      @StephenS_5505 c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e-s..

      double the debt from when the liberals were in power. but mark7 doesn't care those silly numbers
    4. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 03:54 PM
      @AC ...and I'm betting our Ontario Liberal government, and the money they've blown out the tail-pipe, probably dwarf those silly numbers.
    5. Fact Provider posted on 03/27/2014 05:54 PM
      @Karl Burgin Not even close on that one, Karl.
      Go do some homework and get your story straight.
      You're illustrating your blind ignorance of the facts as usual.
  6. AdrianoC1981 posted on 03/27/2014 10:46 AM
    "Rob Ford is the only candidate who can really feel good about his performance."
    Edward Keenan says while there was no knock-out punch, Ford left the best impression among the five mayoral candidates. Ford was the one who looked the most in command of what he wanted to say, he was completely unflustered, he didn't look nervous, he didn't speak from notes."
    1. Sonny posted on 03/27/2014 11:11 AM
      @AdrianoC1981 Olivia got some jabs in about Ford being an embarassment, liar and the "circus tent" She got the golf zinger on Tory.
      The viewers gave her 43% which is a win in a 5/46 way race!
    2. AC posted on 03/27/2014 12:01 PM
      @Sonny Chow wins the race. no one changes their vote no matter the debates. she has led in every poll and will continue to do so.
      thanks Ford nation thanks for the laughs but in 7 months you hoserbags from the burbs are HISTORY!!
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 03:57 PM
      @AC It is good to hope I suppose.
      But as to leading in the polls- which are you referring to?

      There a poll right here in the top right-hand corner, and it shows Ford winning so far by a landslide.
      Tory a very distant second. And Chow somewhere way in the far east.
      So yeah, the only real competition for Ford is Tory- but that's about it.
    4. Mark7 posted on 03/27/2014 04:30 PM
      @Karl Burgin Peter Milczyn? Toronto's favourite Pole?
  7. StephenS_5505 posted on 03/27/2014 11:10 AM
    Stinz and Socnacki need to get out of the race, they are just clogging up the drain for the three real contenders. Its easy now, but neither has the money to run a campaign, at this point in time for them its just show and get face time their only cost is gas and time.

    When you're polling at 2% or below as they are do they really qualify as legit candidates?
  8. enough!! posted on 03/27/2014 11:43 AM
    won't happen but the worst thing that could happen to this country never mind the city is Ford gets re-elected. that in his head he would think he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants no further rules apply. we thought crack and hanging with gang members is bad?? nothing to stop him. the man is lazy and doesn't work never shows up for work has no ethics no credibility no respect for the office no respect for his family/kids no respect for the citizens and no respect for himself.
    the man is a waste of skin on 2 legs
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 01:20 PM
      @enough!! There are more important things in this country that affect other people.
      Rob Ford being re-elected isn't one of them. Kathleen Wynne being re-elected is.
      Hanging out with "alleged" gang members isn't a crime- or else he would have been charged already. So let's bypass this "holier-than-thou' facade about the man not respecting others.

      Until you can account for the Liberals being voted in time after time, despite all the ACTUAL criminal charges on the horizon, then we can talk.
    2. john posted on 03/27/2014 01:46 PM
      @Karl Burgin until the opp or who is investigating the gas power plaint and start charging the morons who were evolved in this then we will talk .
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 01:53 PM
      @john Actually, until these these morons can account for the DRC (debt reduction charge) on our energy bill, that is supposed to pay down the debt, only to realize that our trustworthy Liberal government BORROWED against it to finance their other crap- until they can answer for that too- then we can talk.

      I swear, every day with these people its something new.
    4. juang xi posted on 03/27/2014 02:40 PM
      @Karl Burgin i know! something new with Ford and Lisi's extortion case everyday everyday!!

      CHOW WINS! CHOW WINS! CHOW WINS! CHOW WINS!
    5. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 03:07 PM
      @juang xi Ah, no....repeats maybe.

      ****************************************************************
      FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!! FORD MORE YEARS!!!!!
      *****************************************************************
      ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!ABC!
    6. juang xi posted on 03/27/2014 03:42 PM
      @Karl Burgin FORD! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! MORE BEERS! GLUT....! GLUT....! GLUT....! GLUT....! GLUT....! GLUT....! GLUT....! GLUT....! AWWWWWW.....BURRRRPP......EXCUSE!!

      ROB WATCH OUT FOR THR DITCH.........CRASH!!!!! ABF! :)
    7. Karl Burgin posted on 03/27/2014 03:51 PM
      @juang xi Yeah...so you can make fun all you want.
      Ford still came out on top, Chow is still was below par- and you seem you need a beer or two to help with the bitterness.

      Cheers!
    8. juang xi posted on 03/27/2014 05:05 PM
      @Karl Burgin the slob won't even make it to Oct. 27 final list. Ford came out on top haha as if any debate first or last or the 100 in between mean anything. he's done! finito! sayanara! cops will probably have his azz sooner.
      people's minds are made up debate or no debate. Ford has his crackhead cake voters in the burbs, Chow has the left downtown locked up. she leads in every poll and she just got in. Karl give it up bro get on the progressive bandwagon. you're on the loosing side amigo!
    9. Karl Burgin posted on 03/28/2014 09:10 AM
      @juang xi So why wasn't she leading in the poll on this very forum that evaluated how each candidate did in the first debate?

      This should be an easy enough question for you to answer...
  9. Sam posted on 03/27/2014 12:31 PM
    this is an important vote in the fall. the whole thing should be about one thing and one thing only. Rob and Doug's political aspirations should be killed off. these people MUST not be allowed to serve in the public service ever again
  10. Sam posted on 03/27/2014 12:33 PM
    this is an important vote in the fall. the whole thing should be about one thing and one thing only. Rob and Doug's political aspirations should be killed off. these people MUST not be allowed to serve in the public service ever again
  11. Leo2014 posted on 04/14/2014 09:37 PM
    Not a question people don't want a Mayor who has no plan to where to take Toronto. Sympathetic to Torontonians - true BUT has not trajectory on where he would take us. What's his plan to the retiring population - no opinion. He capitalizes on emotions - not facts. How strong can he be on the business table to convince international business to come into Toronto...zero. The businesses coming in are on their own - not because of Ford. What is his real value? Has to be explained as I see nothing. BUT BUT BUT - He might just win because of split vote:(
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