WATCH:: NDP not releasing budget game plan

Leader Andrea Horwath says she wants to read the budget first

It will include an Ontario pension plan, tax hikes for high income earners and possibly a tax on cigarettes.

With the budget just a day away, things became heated in Question Period as all parties pressed on what's needed for the province.

What's still up in the air however, is if the NDP will support it.

Tory leader Tim Hudak is gearing up for a spring election, hoping the budget will fall. But the Premier stressed there's a need for investment in roads, education and healthcare - everything that will be outlined on Thursday.

NDP leader Andrea Horwath still won't officially say if she'll let the budget pass or vote against it, toppling the minority government and thrusting the province into a spring election campaign.

She says she wants to see the entire document first.

The budget will be tabled at 4pm and then lead to a required 8 hours of debate over four days.

If it fails to pass, the earliest a spring election could be is June 5th and the latest, July 3rd.

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  1. Oliver posted on 04/30/2014 03:17 PM
    There's not a Dipper alive with the fiscal sense to tell a budget from a budgie. Horwath needs to shut her mouth, quit propping up our mess of a government, and give us the first real election in Wynne's dismal little career.
    1. Sonny posted on 04/30/2014 04:27 PM
      @Oliver AT least she is willing to see what is in the Budget, the PCs are going to vote against it. What does Hudak have to offer?
    2. Oliver posted on 04/30/2014 04:33 PM
      @Sonny A stand against the public sector unions and endless bureaucracy that are killing business and bankrupting taxpayers in this province, for starters.
    3. David posted on 04/30/2014 04:42 PM
      @Sonny As far as I'm concerned Sonny, it doesn't matter what is in the budget. It is time for this government to go. They have racked up a massive debt and there has been one scandal after another. If their behaviour has not been criminal, then they are grossly incompotent (although deleting emails is against the law). Horvath continues to criticize the Wynne governemnt but then props it up. She can't have it both ways. If they are that bad Andrea, withdraw your support. If you want to continue to support them, then keep your mouth shut. How anyone in ths province could vote for a liberal canidate, is mind boggling. Their decisions will hurt for decades but the sheeple don't care.
  2. cotrim posted on 04/30/2014 03:31 PM
    she's going to support the budget and i hope she does.
    we want stuff (transit) we gotta pay plain and simple. don't give me BS lines about others will pay down the road when Hudak creates an extra million jobs and taxes those people. at least someone is telling me it's going to cost this and this not Rob Ford math and economics
    it's politics the ndp is in a sweet spot to get some of their agenda through. they're not going to risk that position through an election and possibly loose those cards they have. they won't appease the CONS just to appease them. the Cons would do the same in similar situation. she will trigger an election when it suits the best possible timing for the ndp to either get power or maintain some of it.
    it's simple folks.
    election won't be until full term is up
    1. Jim posted on 04/30/2014 04:53 PM
      @cotrim Ok Comrade. I already pay nearly 44% of my income in taxes. I think its fair that I should be able to keep at least half of what I earn. And how much transit could be paid for with the nearly $4 billion squandered or stolen by the Liberals?

      So shut the fuck up until you learn basic economics.
    2. David posted on 04/30/2014 04:54 PM
      @cotrim Interseting thoughts cotrim. "we want stuff, we gotta pay plain and simple". Just curious, is that how you do your budgeting at home? If transit is required due to government mismanagement over the decades, so be it. But how about finding the money elsewhere instead of taking the money out of the pockets of taxpayers. Politcians should have the guts to make difficult decisions, but don't because all they care about is getting reelected. Wynne claims it will cost 2 billion a year for the next 25 years.
      Here is a decision for you, cancel all day babysitting in the schools. The cost 1.5 billion a year. That goes a long way to solving your problem. I'm sure with a bit of effort they could find the other 500 million. Gutless politicians tax more, true leaders find a way to get things done.
    3. HP posted on 04/30/2014 05:30 PM
      @Jim Factor in all the taxes we pay at all levels, including the hidden taxes, surcharges, service fees, excise taxes, health taxes, etc., I reckon you pay 75% of your gross income in taxes.
  3. Frankie posted on 04/30/2014 04:00 PM
    and she will want to "consult" with "ordinary" Ontarians what to do. She's like a broken record. It doesn't matter how incompetent this Liberal government has been nor how much they've "stolen", Horvath will support them in order to remain in the position she's in, which is running this province (yes, Horvath, not Wynne, is running the province).

    If she doesn't support the budget she loses her power.

    It's all about power and has nothing to do with the health of Ontario.
    1. Jack posted on 04/30/2014 04:16 PM
      @Frankie I'm sure in NDP-speak, "ordinary" translates to "anyone buying their groceries and cigarettes with taxpayer money," rather than anyone who actually works an honest living and has those taxes confiscated from their salaries.
  4. Contemplate This posted on 04/30/2014 06:58 PM
    Hudak is repeating the same mistake over and over again. He says the Conservatives will vote against the budget regardless of what's in it.
    At least the NDP will look at it.

    Watch for some very cleverly crafted budget items including offsetting streamlining to pay for the vast bulk of it. The Liberals will corner Hudak on his stubborn refusal to look at it and, as a result .... we will end up with 2 possibilities:

    1. The NDP will vote with the Conservatives - a campaign will begin - the budget will have sufficient appeal to the voters such that Hudak will blow a potential victory again and the Liberals will remain in charge.
    2. The NDP will support the Liberals again and the province will be saved many millions of dollars until the government runs to its term limit.

    This is Hudak's to lose again ... and he won't disappoint.
    1. David posted on 04/30/2014 07:11 PM
      @Contemplate This How do you figure that the province will be saved many millions of dollars if option 2. Are you suggesting that this is money saved from not having an election? The liberal government has been making promises over the past few weeks in the billions of dollars. I would gladly have the province pay for an election now. It will save the taxpayers a huge amount of money by not having the worst government in this provinces history still in charge. How much did dear premier spend today? I understand that taxes will be increasing on cigarettes in the upcoming budget. Dear premier, when are you going to do something about the illegal cigarette market? That's right, close your eyes, cover your ears and say la, la, la, la,la really loud.
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