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UPDATE: Liberals table big spending budget

With 3 billion dollars in new spending, see how your tax dollars are being spent....

The NDP has chosen to wait to respond to the budget, as the Liberals underline priorities of transit expansion, an Ontario pension plan and big spending.

And remember to hold on tight to your wallet – there’s an extra $3.4 billion in spending this year and you’re paying for it.

Finance Minister Charles Sousa has tabled Ontario’s largest budget ever, a 368-page document with a $11.3 billion deficit for this past fiscal this year.  Sousa claims they are still on track to balance the books by 2017-18 but the deficit will be going up to $12.5 billion by the end of this fiscal year. That’s because of a hole left in general revenues after bringing in more cash through new taxes and paying for transit and infrastructure expansion.

Here’s a breakdown

How it hits your pocketbook:

-The budget outlines transit funding tools, with plans to raise $29 billion in the province over 10 years ($15 billion for GTHA projects). The one that will hit you most is a phased in tax on aviation fuel of four cents a litre over four years – which might affect the price of plane tickets. (More details on transit funding tools below)

-Aside from transit funding, there’s a tax increase of 1.6 cents per cigarette – which changes the price of an average carton from $24.70 to $27.95.

-Tax brackets have shifted from four to three. Personal income taxes will go up for those making $150,000 a year – which will affect 2 per cent of all those who file taxes.  Of the 115,000 people making up to $220,000 would pay $425 more a year. Of the 105,000 people making over $220,000, they will pay $5,500 more.

Highways:

-Expanding on plans from last year, the province is pushing forward in 2014 with HOV lanes on the 410 through Mississauga and Brampton and on Highway 427, all the way up to Vaughan.

- The budget says province will start widening the 401 near Cobourg by the end of the year as well.

- Even though the Finance Minister has said her wanted to put HOV lanes on the 401 “as soon as possible,” the budget says they will be added in Halton and Peel regions starting in 2019-20.

- The 407 “Phase 2” from Harmony Road in Oshawa to Highway 35/115 in Clarington will start construction this year.

Transit:

-Funding tools include: the aviation fuel tax, restricting large corporations from claiming the small business deduction and restricting the fuel-tax exemption for road-building machines. This is on top of previously announced initiatives like: future High Occupancy Toll (HOT) lane revenue, green bonds, the trillium infrastructure fund, 7.5 cents of the existing gas tax and using the HST made on gas and diesel fuel. 

-The province wants to work with the federal government to get funding for transit expansion.

-Ontario says it will borrow money if it needs to.

-The budget lists already-introduce transit projects such as: new Toronto streetcars, Union station expansion, the Pearson-Union Express, the Eglinton Crosstown, the new Toronto streetcars, the Scarborough subway extension, and the subway extension to Vaughan.

Pension:

-The budget introduces the Ontario Retirement Pension Plan, which will be mandatory for everyone without a workplace pension plan. It would require equal contributions of both employees and employers of 1.9 per cent each (3.8 per cent combined) up to a maximum annual earnings of $90,000.

-Someone making $45,000 a year would be contributing $788 a year. If you make $70,000, you’ll contribute $1,263 annually. Those who bring in $90,000 a year will contribute $1,642.

-Legislation will be presented in the fall outlining timelines and administrative costs.

Education:

-As Newstalk 1010 told you first, there’s an extra $11 billion in spending for capital grants over 10 years – money used by school boards to build new schools and renovate existing ones. This includes a four-year, $750 million plan to deal with capacity issues.

Healthcare:

-$11.4 billion in healthcare funding for capital projects over the next 10 years, including the MacKenzie Vaughan Hospital and Toronto’s Mount Sinai’s Women’s and Infants’ Project.

Other:

- An increase to $11/hr minimum wage.

-Plans to build an integrated Toronto Courthouse, with little details.

-$2.5 billion for corporate grants.

-$50 million for in-vitro fertilization treatments.

-$1 million more devoted to seniors to keep them in their homes longer.

-Three year, $269 million for increased wages for childcare workers.

-Three year, $280 million for increased wages for personal support workers.

- The budget does not put in place a public sector wage freeze, noting any wage increases negotiated by unions would be absorbed by employers. 

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  1. Jack posted on 05/01/2014 04:54 PM
    The Liberal government, already responsible for billions in wasted taxpayer dollars, announce that they plan to waste billions more and nobody says a word.

    But another article about Rob Ford? 132 comments, no problem.

    I need to move to a different province.
    1. Sonny posted on 05/01/2014 05:10 PM
      @Jack The Liberals with possibly ND support would tax the richest 2% to help the poor and seniors who have not saved for retirement.

      I hoped that the video with Ford and his pipe would emerge.
      I liked how Chow called him sick man
      See ya!
    2. Leopold Stotch posted on 05/01/2014 05:32 PM
      @Sonny Unfortunately Sonny, the Gov't could care less about anything but staying in power... this has nothing to do with helping anyone. It is yet another way to take money out of the pockets of workers to support the Gov'ts endless spending orgy. Please show compelling evidence that the current Gov't has proven they can, in any way, be trusted to handle our money in a way even remotely resembling responsible?

      If Gov't spending was ever for the good of the people, we'd live in a paradise by now. We don't. Gov't spending serves the purpose of those in power... and people like you are the ones that sanction it through being easily fooled by very transparent people.
    3. David posted on 05/01/2014 05:37 PM
      @Jack Well said Jack, well said. You have the mayor battling addiction and the public is obsessed with every gory detail. The liberals waste billions and billions of dollars and you get a shrug of the shoulders. I believe part of the problem is the average voter isn't smart enough to understand the damgae that will occur because of the Wynne governments decisions. The voters can't seem to understand that wasted money is money that can't be spent on healthcare etc. Of course, the other issue is that so many people are on the government payroll. Why would they bite the hand that feeds them. Tough to be encouraged about the future in this province.
    4. Bartleybee Jones posted on 05/01/2014 06:22 PM
      @David I hope the Liberals whip your ignorant, right-wing, extremist asses this month. I will take a BILLION dollars in tax payer money down the drain ANY DAY OF THE WEEK before I'd let a brain dead, neo-conservative, Mike Harris wannabe like
      WHO-DAT!? destroy this Province for ANOTHER half-generation.
      Blue collar 'Con'servatives : Too dumb for Democracy. Too dumb to know they're being played by the 1% to push an agenda for the rich as they watch their lives get flushed down the toilet. You deserve what you get, numpties!
    5. David posted on 05/01/2014 06:43 PM
      @Bartleybee Jones It is amazing that I am considered a right wing extremist. Treat the taxpayers money with respect is extreme in your books? Maybe considering the wild concept of controlling debt gives me this label? Criticizing the government for scandal after scandal is extreme in your world? Tell me oh wise one, how much is too much in terms of debt. Were just about to hit 300 billion. Is 600 billion okay with you, maybe a trillion? Debt servicing is the third biggest and fastest growing expenditure for the government? But that's no problem in your world. Just curious, what government job do you have? You can always tell the Ontario sheeple employees as they get nervous when the potential of the endless government tap, may actually get turned off. You mentioned that the loss of a billion dollars is okay with you. That covers about one week in Wynnes world. Tick tock goes the debt clock Bartleybee, but you don't care, direct deposit day is next Thursday.
    6. Luba Slanina posted on 05/01/2014 07:51 PM
      @Jack It is time to leave this Country!

      This way no party will get my TAX $$!

      They just don't get it………They keep blowing a Billion $$ here, 100 Mil $$ there, and we have reached our breaking point.

      Where is McGuinty Now? ,….. Nope not Jail, but in the good Old US of A making US $$ and not having to deal with the mess he left us in! Hmmm, maybe I will live in Connecticut and vista him at Harvard?

      Lets cut the number of Politicians, Levels of Government, and impose personal liability and punitive consequences on their decisions!
    7. Bartleybee Jones posted on 05/02/2014 06:52 AM
      @David I, unlike you, am not just a 'taxpayer'. I'm a citizen. My existence is more than the 'tax' I pay. Of course you 'cons' think everyone's worth is about taxes. That's why you're too dumb for democracy. Don't want to pay taxes and have no government? Move to Somalia. Good luck with that. You'll get a great job as a gunner in a roving gang.
      Want to pay higher taxes and live in one of the most progressive, wealthy and stable countries in the world based on the OECD? Move to Norway. You figure it out, moron.
      No one likes waste. Duh. But looking at life through the prism of your clearly devastating tax burden is a small minded way of viewing the world. Now, go! Karl Burgin has some important news about how Rob Ford's coming back from rehab to be the Mayor next October.
    8. David posted on 05/02/2014 07:37 AM
      @Bartleybee Jones Wow Bartleybee, you are a tough one to disagree with. You do a great job of organizing your facts. In a classic case of deflection, instead of responding to my questions, you call me a moron and provide a geography lesson noting Somalia and Norway. So lets try again, how much will be too much as far as the growing debt is concerned? You blindly support a party that has wasted billions of dollars. If you really cared about being a "citizen", wouldn't you be disgusted with that behaviour? Can you try answering this question for me? Would that money be better spent in healthcare or infrastructure or assisting people that need help? You do realize that one day, your precious government will be FORCED to deal with its economics issues. When that happens, I will look for you on TV protesting in front of Queens Park. Afterall, how dare someone try to limit your entitlements from the taxpayers. It is ironic, you try to paint conservatives as cold and uncaring. However, by continuing to support the liberals, you are taking money away from the people that could really use it (debt payments, remember those). Gotta go, I'm checking out flight details to Somalia. Don't forget the question, how much is too much?
    9. Bartleybee Jones posted on 05/02/2014 08:58 AM
      @David Sorry, David. What's your point? The DEBT is killing you? The DEFICIT is killing you? Do you have any idea how debt works in industrialized nations? America IS AT 102% of GDP and claims to be the leader of the free world. GREECE IS AT 130%. Right now we're at about 39% of GDP, so, spare me the freak out about how the debt and deficit are destroying your life and future as an Ontarian. As stated in the budget (which I KNOW YOU'VE READ) the Liberals are working to balance the books by 2017. And with more jobs and productivity, the deficit CAN be chipped away at.
      Do you have debt? I do. So does almost every person in this country. Are you surviving? Is it a necessary evil sometimes? Of course it is. But you deal.
      This fake anger about debt is another red herring for you 'cons'. You're a party that would rather race to the bottom, i.e. make sure honest working Ontarians, say in Unions, get less, because you hate that someone else gets something YOU DON'T. Here's a basic economic principle : When you drive everyone to the bottom as per wages, no one has any purchasing power. When no one can buy anything...THE WHOLE CONSUMER, FREE MARKET MODEL COLLAPSES. There. Now you're REALLY going to feel it when YOU lose your job because the shit that you make at work isn't being bought by any of your fellow Ontarians because they don't make enough money to pay for anything and their livelihood has been destroyed by your perverted ideology. Watch what happens to the deficit then, Einstein.
      So, you and your ignorant 'Con's can keep pushing for this failed model and REALLY destroy our Province, or you can shut up and deal with the fact that Liberal's, waste and all, will fight for things that really matter to honest working Ontarians. You, and your kind, are just bitter, angry, fools.
      God help us if WHO DAT!? comes into power. We're still in pain from what that numptie Harris did in the '90's.
      Go Liberals! Kick some ass!
    10. Con man posted on 05/02/2014 09:28 AM
      @Bartleybee Jones Nailed it.
    11. Angry Bill posted on 05/02/2014 09:34 AM
      @David Don't argue with Bartleybee Jones... he's obviously just a troll, trying to get a reaction. Nobody can say the stupid stuff he's saying and actually mean it. If he is serious, God help us all if he represents any portion of the voters in this province. The liberals love clueless people like that, who will vote liberal no matter what. And I mean literally "no matter what".
    12. David posted on 05/02/2014 09:34 AM
      @Bartleybee Jones There you go folks. Read the nonsense above and you wonder how the criminal liberals continue to run this province. You may expect that kind of an explanation from maybe an 8 year old, but not someone supposedly holding down a government job. I see that you thrive high, giving examples of the US, trillions of dollars in debt and a total mess and Greece. Of course there is nothing wrong with debt, but there is a limit. By your way of thinking, why not give everyone in the province a big house with a car in the drive way, all paid for by the taxpayer. Afterall, debt makes no difference. Thanks by the way for answering my previous question, although obviously didn't mean to. I will put you down for one trillion dollars. Regarding your previous post where you mentioned Somalia. I have figured out why you gave that as an example. Somalia run by criminals, Ontario run by criminals. Can you vote in Somalian elections?
    13. jason posted on 05/02/2014 10:13 AM
      @David u r dumb, bud.
    14. Karl Burgin posted on 05/02/2014 10:42 AM
      @Bartleybee Jones How the heck did you get 11 likes for spouting that?

      If this is the sentiment that is shared with the rest of the blind voters living in Toronto, then we're going to get another decade of Liberals. And Ontario will end up being the 'ball and chain' of Canada, instead of being the coveted 'economic engine'.

      But who cares, right BARTLEYBEE? The conservatives haven't done anything in the past decade that contributed to the downfall of Ontario. But the Liberals have been the 'steady hands' at the helm- and look where we are.

      But that doesn't matter because all Conservatives are evil at the outset. Oh, and because we regard likability over actual fiscal responsibility, is the reason why we shouldn't vote for Hudak as well, right?
      I'm glad to see where our priorities lie.
    15. David posted on 05/02/2014 10:43 AM
      @jason Interesting, I've had a successful business career in the private sector despite the liberals and have virtually no debt.
      You, work in the public sector and have no idea what makes the world tick and with your support of the comments above, probably have high personal debt. Think I'll be okay BUD!
      Is that sweat on your brow, an election is on the way.
    16. Karl Burgin posted on 05/02/2014 10:44 AM
      @David I concur, and weep for our future.

      Why couldn't the laws of darwinism be applied to voters?
    17. jason posted on 05/02/2014 10:46 AM
      @Karl Burgin You'd still be swimming in the ocean, goof.
    18. Monkster posted on 05/02/2014 10:50 AM
      @Bartleybee Jones nice! hudak is going down! bring on the election!
    19. Karl Burgin posted on 05/02/2014 11:26 AM
      @jason ....but Liberal voters would have died out. And the ones that do somehow manage to survive would have evolved to a higher level of thinking and processing.
      And then you wouldn't see the blind crap from those like BARTLEY JONES trying to legitimize as to why the Liberals deserve to be re-elected. See how that works....
  2. Mark posted on 05/01/2014 05:15 PM
    The liberals, teachers, and the teachers and public sector union hogs in this province are our enemies. I understand why the piggy unions and selfish pig teachers would vote for the corrupt liberals but anyone else who does is a first class idiot who belongs locked up in a mental hospital in a third world country.
  3. Teacher posted on 05/01/2014 05:31 PM
    ^^^ Mark, I will be glad to help my political friends get re-elected and why not. They have rewarded me very well thank you, and we teachers will keep the liberals in power. They intend to give us more money and benefits for our support so why not help.

    Face it Ontario. WE teachers control the purse stings in this province so just suck it up, move on, and get back to work so your tax dollars can pay me.

    You ordinary people have no chance against us. Good luck Mark, but, forget about your dreams, mine are more important because I am more important.
    1. No More Unions posted on 05/01/2014 05:51 PM
      @Teacher And with that excellent glimpse into the mindset of unionized teachers, I'd like to remind everyone to stand up for their own rights and support Working Canadians.

      Working Canadians is a volunteer organization devoted to raising awareness about just how much abuse we taxpayers take at the hands of unionized goons like our friend here. Find them on Facebook and Twitter!
    2. Jack posted on 05/01/2014 05:53 PM
      @Teacher I'm curious, Teacher. What exactly is your union's plan for the future?

      When the Liberals make it unprofitable for my employer to continue doing business here, my employer will leave; how do you plan to steal my money when I have no money to steal?
  4. guy_smiley posted on 05/02/2014 06:35 AM
    I'm a small business owner. We have no company wide pension plan because we simply can't afford it. If this goes through it looks like my employees are all going to get a 1.9% raise, too bad they will be taking less home at the end of the week. Sounds like a good idea to me.
    1. Mark posted on 05/02/2014 07:03 AM
      @guy_smiley The idea may or may not have merit. But we can not trust the most incompetent, corrupt, and wasteful political party in the history of our province. All programs cost money to implement and these idiot liberals have no hope in hell of implementing this without wasting millions.

      Face it, we can not afford the current public sector union pensions so adding public money to the fire will only make it burn faster.

      Liberals need to be crushed, ground to dust, and burned at the next election. Shame though that this will not happen because the libs and their piggy public sector hogs have almost proliferated beyond control.
  5. Frankie posted on 05/02/2014 08:35 AM
    Message to all Liberal voters. Money doesn't grow on trees and budgets don't miraculously balance themselves.

    By making businesses less competitive they drive some away. No business, no employees, no taxes! It's a very basic principle.

    The Liberals lie, complaining the CPP doesn't address the needs of Ontarians. There is a very small percentage of people affected by this, yet the Liberals insist on using a sledgehammer to kill a flea. What a waste of hard-earned taxpayer dollars.

    Describing the Bob Rae NDP budget as fiscally conservative compared to this Liberal budget should send shivers down everyone's spine, and will certainly be cause for further downgrading of Ontario's rating and the resulting increase in interest costs.

    BEFORE the budget Ontario's debt was 5 X (per capita) that of California.

    It's yet another sad day for Ontario
    1. jason posted on 05/02/2014 10:39 AM
      @Frankie boo hoo. The sky is falling. boo hoo.
    2. Karl Burgin posted on 05/02/2014 10:56 AM
      @Frankie Well, FRANKIE...if I were playing a liberal devil's advocate...

      1.> Money do grow on trees. We use the bark from the wood to make the paper the money is printed on. Now if you had said "inflation doesn't grow on trees, then you'd make a better argument..."

      2.> Why we do make business competitive. We make them compete for the money and incentives we're throwing at them to bring them into Toronto

      3.> We don't lie. We just offer a different version of the truth- or bend it when necessary. Truth IS relative after all

      4.> Ontarians need an alternative retirement program, which is why we are providing it. How else are they going to help pay our...er I mean their contribution to restructuring Ontario for a better future. There's rising gas prices, food prices, energy bills, taxes, power plants. You can't pay for those on CPP alone you know.

      5.> We are the most fiscally conservative government ever. How else do you think we're able to give so much money away.

      6.> Ontario's budget is 5 times that of California you say? That is a lie. Its probably at 8 times that of California after this budget goes through. But we don't need to spread that sort news around. People would think us irresponsible.

      7.> Another sad day in Ontario? No it won't. We're planning on bring World Pride day here and the Pan AM Games to Toronto. It will be happy time for everyone.

      8.> Please disregard 'power plants' from point # 4

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      I am sometimes amused and afraid of the extreme cynicism I've come to embrace. Thank you Ontario Liberals.
  6. Contemplate Thius posted on 05/02/2014 09:49 AM
    Brilliant Gamble:
    1. Leaves the NDP painted into a corner with nowhere to turn.
    2. Leaves the Tea Party Cons where they belong - slash and burn as their plan

    Wynne would make a great poker player.
    1. Contemplate This posted on 05/02/2014 11:21 AM
      @Contemplate Thius Well, well, well ... Andrea bit down hard, (not a good poker player), which means that the NDP is about to be decimated by this clever budget.

      The Tea Party Cons with their very weak leader can do no better than a minority government that would fail and fall in about 6 months.

      The choice has been clarified.
      The likelihood is that Wynne will win (probably another minority).
    2. Karl Burgin posted on 05/02/2014 11:27 AM
      @Contemplate This Even if the Cons fail, it will give all at least a brief moment of fresh air....before choking back on the sulfur and fumes if the Liberals get re-elected
    3. Contemplate This posted on 05/02/2014 11:41 AM
      @Karl Burgin ..."a brief moment of fresh air..."
      The only air around Hudak is hot ... not fresh.
      He will fail again because his only plan is his mantra of a "gazillion" jobs from one side of his mouth while musing about "right to work" (for less) out of the other side. Oxymoron anyone?
    4. Karl Burgin posted on 05/02/2014 11:51 AM
      @Contemplate This Be that as it may, voting for Liberals mean that you agree with all the wrong doings they have done.

      If you vote for Hudak- and say he wins, but then starts acting stupid, then I would be the first in line to call another election again- and maybe vote for the green party.

      But all I keep hearing is what Hudak might do. Or what Harris did over a decade ago. But I hear nothing as to how this current Liberal government are to be held responsible for their serious faux-pas. Of which they should be answerable to.

      The choices are admittedly not optimal. But we have to give change a chance here and vote Hudak in. If Horwath had a backbone, and didn't opt to become 'hip buddies' with Wynne, I probably would have actually voted for her. But as far as I see it, the NDP and the Liberals are essentially the same. And this little ploy to be suddenly angry at the Liberals and disagree with the budget is too little, too late.
    5. Bobcat posted on 05/02/2014 01:17 PM
      @Karl Burgin I urge ALL you Hudak supporters to read the book
      "What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America" to understand why so many average, blue collar Americans decided to vote against their own economic and political interests and support the party of the 1%, the Republicans.
      You need to know that you are being played in the exact same way! Tim Hudak is following a neo-conservative script that has been going on for well over a decade. And it is YOU, dear people, who are getting taken advantage of. While you blather on about the Liberals, they are planning to decimate good wages and good jobs, all to enrich themselves and the corporations they serve. It's all about to come to Ontario if you vote for that contemptuous idiot.
      Don't say you weren't warned...
    6. Angry Bill posted on 05/02/2014 03:00 PM
      @Bobcat This duplicate post has been replied to and shot down in the other forum that you posted it in. I won't repeat myself responding to it again.
  7. john posted on 05/02/2014 10:39 AM
    no dice bitch time for a election .
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