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Poll shows Tories lead but Ontario Liberals could return with a minority government

Results are based on a Toronto Star poll by Forum Research

The Ontario election writ doesn't come down until Wednesday but the big three party leaders were clearly on the campaign trail over the weekend.

PC leader Tim Hudak took his regular rotational spot hosting NEWSTALK 1010's The Province and for the most part he was trying to spin a positive message for voters.  
It's about his 5-point plan, released in January, to create a million jobs.

Liberal leader Kathleen Wynne spent some of her weekend time going after Prime Minister Stephen Harper for dumping on the Liberal budget proposal to set up a provincial pension plan for those who don't have a company pension.

For her part, NDP leader Andrea Horwath says the Liberals cannot be trusted to deliver on their promises and she accuses the PC's of creating chaos at Queen's Park and alleges that Tim Hudak got nothing done for Ontario residents.

The first opinion sampling since Premier Wynne pulled the plug was done by Forum Research, automated telephone polling on the weekend.   

It shows the PC's with 38 percent, the LIberals with 33, the NDP with 22.  

Forum Presidnet Lorne Bozinoff told the Toronto Star that based on this sample, the Liberals would return with a minority:  49 seats to the PC's 45 and 13 for the NDP.

What the Forum numbers show is that in the ridings where the Conservatives lead, they lead big but they don't have a lead in most ridings, the Liberals do.

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  1. Doug Ford posted on 05/05/2014 07:23 AM
    FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS

    God Bless Toronto

    Thank You
    1. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 09:29 AM
      @Doug Ford And a good morning to you too, Donny P.
    2. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 09:39 AM
      @Doug Ford thank you Doug.
      how's your brother doing in rehab? (wink! wink!)
      shhhhh....i won't say anything but we all know he's not really in rehab it's too beneath him plaese. he's sitting around in your condo in Chicago getting shtfaced on his own hiding out. the master plan is hold him there for a few weeks then have the big welcome back the messiah party how he's all fixed up and ready to take on the lefty's. shhh.
  2. Frankie posted on 05/05/2014 08:50 AM
    Perhaps on election day Liberals could take a much needed mental health break.
  3. Ernie posted on 05/05/2014 08:51 AM
    Common Toronto - are you this stupid to put the LIberals back in power?
    1. john posted on 05/05/2014 12:29 PM
      @Ernie well thay are stupid enough to believe the maple leafs will win the cup ! my guss is as good as yours mate .
  4. manuel posted on 05/05/2014 09:45 AM
    minority? to hell with that. this is our chance to kill Hudak politically
    i think Andrea misjudged the timing because of pressure to call an election. the NDP will falter some and hand the Libs a majority
  5. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 09:53 AM
    if you like sitting in traffic congestion and waiting for buses for the next 25 yrs then your only option is vote conservative. you know those flunkies won't get anything built. they won't commit to the hard solutions of someone has to pay and how. traffic is huge concern for the city and it will costs us all more later and drag down the quality of life in the city and ares
    1. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 10:11 AM
      @arthur Uh huh... and what again have the liberals built over their 2 terms in office? Besides gas plants? No, wait...

      I might be wrong, but I can recall nothing that the liberals have done substantially to improve traffic anywhere in this province, much less Toronto.

      So.. your brilliant plan is to vote liberal, and all of a sudden they will build infrastructure and all our traffic woes will be solved? And all this paid for by... well, I guess you. And me. And your kids. And your kids' kids. And theirs, too.

      Dude... the liberals have already crashed Ontario into the iceberg. All you're doing is arguing that we shouldn't switch captains on the Titanic.
  6. Dean posted on 05/05/2014 10:05 AM
    The Liberals have a very simple plan for Ontario:
    Step 1) Give the public sector unions and their cronies in the Working Families Coalition everything they demand, so they can live a life of luxury.
    Step 2) Tax the hardworking middle class to pay for step 1.
    Step 3) Increase minimum wage and welfare payouts to reward the least productive citizens of Ontario.
    Step 4) Tax the middle class again to pay for Step 3.
    Step 5) Act bewildered when Steps 1-4 destroy Ontario's economy.

    The NDP have a similar plan, just on a faster timeline.

    The only party who even understands basic economics are the Progressive Conservatives. The only party with the backbone to stand up to the Working Families Conmen and their union backers are the Progressive Conservatives. The only sensible option is to elect the Progressive Conservatives; a vote for anyone else is a direct attack against Ontario.
    1. Sonny posted on 05/05/2014 10:15 AM
      @Dean OR not to make sure that Hudak is not Premier and we get the Harris 2.0
    2. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 10:19 AM
      @Dean The Ontario electorate has already voted in the liberals, twice. As a result, I have zero confidence in the collective IQ of Ontarians to vote out the liberals.

      They will wear blinders regarding the damage their favourite party has already done to Ontario and plans to keep on doing to Ontario, and instead fixate on what Hudak MIGHT do. Never mind what the libs have ALREADY done.

      Any ONE of the scandals that has plagued the liberals during their two terms would have been enough for them to have lost any vote I might have given them. The Caledonia scandal alone would have been enough. So would any of the others. Yet, even with ALL of the scandals, people still want to vote liberal. It really boggles the mind.

      I predict the libs will get another minority. Because the vote is split among the other parties. Most of the voters don't want the liberals in, but they will vote for their own parties anyway, instead of banding together and voting the liberals out. And the liberal voters... well... not much you can say about them that hasn't already been said. You can't fix stupid.
  7. Bob posted on 05/05/2014 11:00 AM
    not much of a change. province is pretty much divided between rural and urban. PC's have rural the Libs rule in Urban. most of the seats are in urban Toronto. Lib minority maybe majority depend how pissed some will be towards the NDP for calling election. pissed NDP votes will go to Libs not PC'S
    1. Sonny posted on 05/05/2014 11:16 AM
      @Bob The only poll that matters is Election Day.(says Ford) The "forum" polls have been shown to be unreliable. Though some seats in Toronto have more votes cast than in rural ON
      It was Wynne that called the election, the writ drops on Wednesday as the various parties nominate candidates.
  8. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 11:10 AM
    Hudak wants to lower/stop your wages and cut back on your pensions and benefits and do nothing towards an Ontario pension plan. I believe max at 65 you can get from Canada pension is about 12 k plus some old age.
    Trend these days for people and company's is working contracts. 6 month/1 year
    I see what expenses my dad has in his eighties. fortunate he had a good full time job most of his life with good pension plus some good investments. he's fine he worked hard for it.
    the vet bill last week for his dog was $1000 plus a few more thousands for dentist work. no coverage when you don't work. insurance is huge as a senior not working.
    I see a lot of toothless seniors shooting their dogs in the future
    1. don was right posted on 05/05/2014 11:29 AM
      @arthur Hudak only wants to lower your wages if you are employed ( dont want to say work) by the government. About time.
    2. HP posted on 05/05/2014 11:57 AM
      @arthur "I see a lot of toothless seniors shooting their dogs in the future"

      It's been happening in the U.S. for a number of years now. Pets are being thrown out of cars on the Interstates, making a bloody ness. Pet shelters now give dogs and cats the needle because they're overwhelmed. Sadly, a lot of seniors are choosing to end it all before they're homeless, especially in the poorest states. There's no real safety net down there, sometimes the churches can help but essentially they're on their own, something that Hudak wants for us.
  9. Mike posted on 05/05/2014 12:11 PM
    here's the reality. Ontario is basically Liberal no matter what.
    Alberta is basically conservative no matter what.
    just the way it is
    1. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 12:57 PM
      @Mike Only because of Toronto, friend.

      Without Toronto, the liberals would have to climb up a ladder just to sniff the backsides of the Green party.
  10. Mike posted on 05/05/2014 04:10 PM
    i have an idea Tim should use to help the province save money. you know those lazy maggot government/city union workers the ones that work in cleaning up public parks?
    Fire them and bring in prison inmates to do the clean up work.
    Huh? what does everyone think?
    1. Alfred posted on 05/05/2014 04:17 PM
      @Mike Or, do something about their union's policies of "One man working, five men watching" and "Minimize speed, maximize overtime." Then we won't be paying time-and-a-half for six people to do one man's job.
  11. ToddK_2 posted on 05/05/2014 04:22 PM
    There is a fundamental conflict of interest with Government Union Workers and the managers on the sunshine list. They drive everyone's cost of living up when they hold us hostage and we are the one's paying their unsustainable wages and benefits.

    Are unions really needed for a Government as an employer? That's what we have to ask ourselves when the biggest cost of our government is the entitled workforce and yes the fat cat management too.
    1. Frank posted on 05/05/2014 04:38 PM
      @ToddK_2 Simply put, almost nobody who buys their groceries with taxpayer money should be allowed to vote.

      Public sector employees shouldn't be allowed to vote at all, because that leads to them propping up puppet organizations like the Working Families Coalition and effectively voting for their own pay raises, regardless of how much it screws up our economy.

      People who receive welfare also shouldn't get a ballot, because choosing the people who run our government should be a privilege reserved for people who actually contribute to society.

      The only exception ought to be people who worked their whole lives but still had to go on social assistance when they retired, or people who were injured on the job and are on disability. They did their part, and would still be doing their part if they could.
  12. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 05:11 PM
    Tim Hudak has already lost this election due to supporting anti-workers so called 'right to work' legislation.
    Plus his 'million new jobs' catch phrase lacks credibility just like Rob Fords 'saved a billion dollars' rant.
    1. Dean posted on 05/05/2014 05:29 PM
      @Alex There you go again, spouting this nonsense about right-to-work being "anti-worker." Either you work for CUPE or you're intentionally being obtuse.

      The only workers that will be negatively affected by right-to-work are the incompetent, lazy workers who currently only receive a paycheck because their union makes it impossible to fire them; the sort of people who would have been let go as a liability years ago if they had been working in an honest, non-union environment.

      And because I know you're such a stickler for vocabulary, Alex, I'll clarify further: When I say 'union,' I don't mean it as in any old group of people, or the union of provinces that make up Canada, or a union between atoms to make a molecule or any of the other irrelevant entries you'll pull out of your thesaurus.

      I mean, specifically, the sort of union where the membership decides that regardless of the state of the economy, they want a raise, and that the easiest way for them to get it is to antagonize and attack innocent people by blockading their transit, filling their streets with garbage, turning our children into political pawns or leaving hospital patients to die without care.
  13. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 06:42 PM
    I think Tim Hudak is a bit of a wanna be Republican in Canada.
    He is not a Canadian Conservative but more of an 'every man for himself' vs 'we're all in this together'.
  14. Unions Kill Industry posted on 05/05/2014 07:06 PM
    I support Tim Hudak and the PCs because they are the only party running in this election who show any sign at all of resisting endless and unsustainable union demands. For the same reason, I support Working Canadians, a group working to expose the completely unethical behaviour of big unions in our country.
    1. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 07:31 PM
      @Unions Kill Industry And who funds the organization calling itself 'Working Canadians'?

      Answer: Business.

      (I listened to a radio show that had a representative from this group and and they did everything they could to avoid this question and answer, but they finally had to admit it. Then they tried to suggest that it was like pulling teeth to get money from the business community ...LOL).
  15. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 09:03 PM
    And to the two comments above about the group calling themselves "Working Canadians".

    Here big business and smaller business try to mislead the public with the image of a grass roots group of people. Yet the truth is this dishonest name represents the opposite.

    Of course unions will do the same such games, pretending to be a grass roots organization.

    It is too bad the everyday person can't trust what these groups as they try to manipulate public opinion to their benefit.
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 05/06/2014 11:33 AM
      @Alex You really should consider yourself to be a spokes-person for the Liberals.

      I've never seen one spout such nonsense in their defence with a straight face- and actually believe such bull-crap.
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