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Poll shows Tories lead but Ontario Liberals could return with a minority government

Results are based on a Toronto Star poll by Forum Research

The Ontario election writ doesn't come down until Wednesday but the big three party leaders were clearly on the campaign trail over the weekend.

PC leader Tim Hudak took his regular rotational spot hosting NEWSTALK 1010's The Province and for the most part he was trying to spin a positive message for voters.  
It's about his 5-point plan, released in January, to create a million jobs.

Liberal leader Kathleen Wynne spent some of her weekend time going after Prime Minister Stephen Harper for dumping on the Liberal budget proposal to set up a provincial pension plan for those who don't have a company pension.

For her part, NDP leader Andrea Horwath says the Liberals cannot be trusted to deliver on their promises and she accuses the PC's of creating chaos at Queen's Park and alleges that Tim Hudak got nothing done for Ontario residents.

The first opinion sampling since Premier Wynne pulled the plug was done by Forum Research, automated telephone polling on the weekend.   

It shows the PC's with 38 percent, the LIberals with 33, the NDP with 22.  

Forum Presidnet Lorne Bozinoff told the Toronto Star that based on this sample, the Liberals would return with a minority:  49 seats to the PC's 45 and 13 for the NDP.

What the Forum numbers show is that in the ridings where the Conservatives lead, they lead big but they don't have a lead in most ridings, the Liberals do.

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  1. Doug Ford posted on 05/05/2014 07:23 AM
    FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS FORD MORE YEARS

    God Bless Toronto

    Thank You
    1. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 09:29 AM
      @Doug Ford And a good morning to you too, Donny P.
    2. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 09:39 AM
      @Doug Ford thank you Doug.
      how's your brother doing in rehab? (wink! wink!)
      shhhhh....i won't say anything but we all know he's not really in rehab it's too beneath him plaese. he's sitting around in your condo in Chicago getting shtfaced on his own hiding out. the master plan is hold him there for a few weeks then have the big welcome back the messiah party how he's all fixed up and ready to take on the lefty's. shhh.
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 05/06/2014 11:15 AM
      @Angry Bill LMAO....you almost made me choke on my coffee with your retort. Good one.
    4. Karl Burgin posted on 05/06/2014 11:16 AM
      @arthur I can see through all your hate and disdain for Ford, you couldn't see that you are responding to a lonely basement troll- who believe it or not, actually is on your side of the fence.
  2. Frankie posted on 05/05/2014 08:50 AM
    Perhaps on election day Liberals could take a much needed mental health break.
  3. Ernie posted on 05/05/2014 08:51 AM
    Common Toronto - are you this stupid to put the LIberals back in power?
    1. john posted on 05/05/2014 12:29 PM
      @Ernie well thay are stupid enough to believe the maple leafs will win the cup ! my guss is as good as yours mate .
  4. manuel posted on 05/05/2014 09:45 AM
    minority? to hell with that. this is our chance to kill Hudak politically
    i think Andrea misjudged the timing because of pressure to call an election. the NDP will falter some and hand the Libs a majority
  5. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 09:53 AM
    if you like sitting in traffic congestion and waiting for buses for the next 25 yrs then your only option is vote conservative. you know those flunkies won't get anything built. they won't commit to the hard solutions of someone has to pay and how. traffic is huge concern for the city and it will costs us all more later and drag down the quality of life in the city and ares
    1. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 10:11 AM
      @arthur Uh huh... and what again have the liberals built over their 2 terms in office? Besides gas plants? No, wait...

      I might be wrong, but I can recall nothing that the liberals have done substantially to improve traffic anywhere in this province, much less Toronto.

      So.. your brilliant plan is to vote liberal, and all of a sudden they will build infrastructure and all our traffic woes will be solved? And all this paid for by... well, I guess you. And me. And your kids. And your kids' kids. And theirs, too.

      Dude... the liberals have already crashed Ontario into the iceberg. All you're doing is arguing that we shouldn't switch captains on the Titanic.
    2. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 11:15 AM
      @Angry Bill i'm sorry what was the PC's plan again for transit while they were the opposition for the last 10 years? i missed it in your post
    3. sam posted on 05/05/2014 11:36 AM
      @Angry Bill we just wasted the last 4 yrs with Rob Ford with regards to transit. If he was somewhat capable of anything we would of been much father along working with the province. If we stayed with transit city some of the outer areas would have transit right now. today!!
    4. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 12:01 PM
      @arthur I have very little patience for "plans", arthur. Particularly promised liberal plans. The liberals have proven twice now what they think of keeping their campaign promises. I place a lot more stock in actions. In this case, the actions of the liberals during the past 2 terms.

      Trust me, if it had been the conservatives in power the past 2 terms, I'd be talking about their track record instead. But guess what? We're not. It's the liberals who have a lot to answer for, not the conservatives, no matter how desperately you would like to deflect attention to them over the liberals.
    5. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 12:16 PM
      @Angry Bill i'm 54 i've seen the conservative track record. we've all seen the conservative track record municipally/provincially/federally. thank you but i'll stick Liberal if it's ok with you.
    6. john posted on 05/05/2014 12:46 PM
      @arthur u know what thay say u can teach a old dog new tricks . old farts like our friend here dont give a shit what happens to us young people . what he dont realize is that he should be . there will come a time where he is going end up in a nursing home and there will be no money to pay the bills . like it or not we are the ones who choose the nursing homes when it is that time .
    7. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 12:55 PM
      @arthur I'll be 53 this year, and I've seen WAY too much of the Liberal track record. Far more than I would have liked.

      And since you're asking my permission, no, it's not okay to stick Liberal.

      There.. glad we got that cleared up!
    8. john posted on 05/05/2014 01:21 PM
      @Angry Bill if there is going to stick the liberals it will be in a jail cell . with rest of those maggots .
    9. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 01:41 PM
      @john uh?... repeat that line again John.
      if there is going to stick the liberals it will be in a jail cell ??
      is that Rof Forf talk?
      go back to sleep John. put down the beer bottle
    10. john posted on 05/05/2014 03:02 PM
      @arthur i am trying to speck liberal so u understand what i am saying it is hard enough thay speck builshit . thats a language i have trouble speaking let know typing .
    11. Karl Burgin posted on 05/06/2014 11:30 AM
      @sam 1.> Do you mean the last four years Rob Ford dedicated to cleaning up Miller's mess
      2.> Do you mean the last four years Ford has had to deal with fighting council
      3.> Do you mean the last four years the media driving Ford to near insanity
      4.> Don't you ACTUALLY mean the last 3 years, when council un-democratically created two mayors
      5.> Do you mean when the Liberal transport minister Glen Murray hijacked Ford's subway plan to Scarborough, to appease to the voters
      6.> Don't you mean the last four years, when it was actually your un-elected Premier Kathleen Wynne, who was the stick in the mud
      7.> Don't you mean the last few years when Wynne was doing whatever she could to delay an election
      8.> Don't you also mean the last few years when the Liberals, who blew money on gas plants, and then trying to erase evidence of such actions, were busy trying to cover their tracks. I've sure they would have addressed the transit problem at some point, but covering your ass from the OPP is a full-time job.
      Oh, and before you pull in Rob Ford into the mix for the same thing, he wasn't actually hiding. He was 'more-or-less' waving at them while he was under surveillance. Which is more of a faux-pas on the Toronto Police's investigative technique- and failing to hand over the investigation to the OPP to begin with.
  6. Dean posted on 05/05/2014 10:05 AM
    The Liberals have a very simple plan for Ontario:
    Step 1) Give the public sector unions and their cronies in the Working Families Coalition everything they demand, so they can live a life of luxury.
    Step 2) Tax the hardworking middle class to pay for step 1.
    Step 3) Increase minimum wage and welfare payouts to reward the least productive citizens of Ontario.
    Step 4) Tax the middle class again to pay for Step 3.
    Step 5) Act bewildered when Steps 1-4 destroy Ontario's economy.

    The NDP have a similar plan, just on a faster timeline.

    The only party who even understands basic economics are the Progressive Conservatives. The only party with the backbone to stand up to the Working Families Conmen and their union backers are the Progressive Conservatives. The only sensible option is to elect the Progressive Conservatives; a vote for anyone else is a direct attack against Ontario.
    1. Sonny posted on 05/05/2014 10:15 AM
      @Dean OR not to make sure that Hudak is not Premier and we get the Harris 2.0
    2. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 10:19 AM
      @Dean The Ontario electorate has already voted in the liberals, twice. As a result, I have zero confidence in the collective IQ of Ontarians to vote out the liberals.

      They will wear blinders regarding the damage their favourite party has already done to Ontario and plans to keep on doing to Ontario, and instead fixate on what Hudak MIGHT do. Never mind what the libs have ALREADY done.

      Any ONE of the scandals that has plagued the liberals during their two terms would have been enough for them to have lost any vote I might have given them. The Caledonia scandal alone would have been enough. So would any of the others. Yet, even with ALL of the scandals, people still want to vote liberal. It really boggles the mind.

      I predict the libs will get another minority. Because the vote is split among the other parties. Most of the voters don't want the liberals in, but they will vote for their own parties anyway, instead of banding together and voting the liberals out. And the liberal voters... well... not much you can say about them that hasn't already been said. You can't fix stupid.
    3. sam posted on 05/05/2014 11:42 AM
      @Angry Bill some of been trying to fix Ford supporters. Been having a hell of a time
    4. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 12:02 PM
      @sam hahaa, true.
    5. john posted on 05/05/2014 01:33 PM
      @sam fixing ford supporters is the same as trying to fix liberal voters i dont even try anymore i dont that kinda time . thay will have to learn there lesson the hard way .
  7. Bob posted on 05/05/2014 11:00 AM
    not much of a change. province is pretty much divided between rural and urban. PC's have rural the Libs rule in Urban. most of the seats are in urban Toronto. Lib minority maybe majority depend how pissed some will be towards the NDP for calling election. pissed NDP votes will go to Libs not PC'S
    1. Sonny posted on 05/05/2014 11:16 AM
      @Bob The only poll that matters is Election Day.(says Ford) The "forum" polls have been shown to be unreliable. Though some seats in Toronto have more votes cast than in rural ON
      It was Wynne that called the election, the writ drops on Wednesday as the various parties nominate candidates.
  8. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 11:10 AM
    Hudak wants to lower/stop your wages and cut back on your pensions and benefits and do nothing towards an Ontario pension plan. I believe max at 65 you can get from Canada pension is about 12 k plus some old age.
    Trend these days for people and company's is working contracts. 6 month/1 year
    I see what expenses my dad has in his eighties. fortunate he had a good full time job most of his life with good pension plus some good investments. he's fine he worked hard for it.
    the vet bill last week for his dog was $1000 plus a few more thousands for dentist work. no coverage when you don't work. insurance is huge as a senior not working.
    I see a lot of toothless seniors shooting their dogs in the future
    1. don was right posted on 05/05/2014 11:29 AM
      @arthur Hudak only wants to lower your wages if you are employed ( dont want to say work) by the government. About time.
    2. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 11:40 AM
      @don was right i guess you're saying if your employed by the government don't get a dog or buy a house and expect bad teeth as a senior?
    3. HP posted on 05/05/2014 11:57 AM
      @arthur "I see a lot of toothless seniors shooting their dogs in the future"

      It's been happening in the U.S. for a number of years now. Pets are being thrown out of cars on the Interstates, making a bloody ness. Pet shelters now give dogs and cats the needle because they're overwhelmed. Sadly, a lot of seniors are choosing to end it all before they're homeless, especially in the poorest states. There's no real safety net down there, sometimes the churches can help but essentially they're on their own, something that Hudak wants for us.
    4. Jack posted on 05/05/2014 12:02 PM
      @arthur Meanwhile, the public sector unions who support the Working Families Coalition (and through them, the Liberal government who give in to their every demand) want you to work longer and longer weeks so that they can steal more and more of your hard-earned money, before you have the chance to waste it on frivolous non-union pursuits like "your family" or "your happiness."

      Another Liberal or NDP government will mean taxpayers living and working as serfs for union leaders' whims, for the short time before the entire province collapses into economic ruin.
    5. john posted on 05/05/2014 12:52 PM
      @arthur and i suppose you believe that builshit ? man what are u smoking and where can i get some ? so i can high like u scene it is the only way i can believe her builshit .
    6. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 01:36 PM
      @john don't get a dog John if you vote conservative. you might have to shoot it
    7. john posted on 05/05/2014 01:39 PM
      @Jack Working Families Coalition is a fraud thay say thay speck for all Working Families . thats builshit . thay dont speck for me . thay speck for themselves thay are nothing more then a bunch of selfish blood sucking jackoffs .
    8. john posted on 05/05/2014 01:59 PM
      @arthur i got 2 dogs and i have no plains to shoot them cause i am not as stupid is a liberal supporter i love to have kids and have enough money to put them in collage as well as a nursing home . money for my kids when i pass away . not going to happen with the jack off that are ruing this province now
    9. Jack posted on 05/05/2014 02:38 PM
      @john The truth is that the Working Families Coalition didn't name themselves after who they stand for, but after who they prefer to beat down and rob at the first opportunity.
  9. Mike posted on 05/05/2014 12:11 PM
    here's the reality. Ontario is basically Liberal no matter what.
    Alberta is basically conservative no matter what.
    just the way it is
    1. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 12:57 PM
      @Mike Only because of Toronto, friend.

      Without Toronto, the liberals would have to climb up a ladder just to sniff the backsides of the Green party.
    2. john posted on 05/05/2014 01:15 PM
      @Angry Bill and thay smell of pot . lol
    3. Mike posted on 05/05/2014 01:33 PM
      @Angry Bill where do the majority of the people live friend?
    4. john posted on 05/05/2014 02:10 PM
      @Mike sounds like he is talking about the hell hole thay climbed form . somone must have put a latter in the hole . that would explain why thay are here in the first place .
  10. Mike posted on 05/05/2014 04:10 PM
    i have an idea Tim should use to help the province save money. you know those lazy maggot government/city union workers the ones that work in cleaning up public parks?
    Fire them and bring in prison inmates to do the clean up work.
    Huh? what does everyone think?
    1. Alfred posted on 05/05/2014 04:17 PM
      @Mike Or, do something about their union's policies of "One man working, five men watching" and "Minimize speed, maximize overtime." Then we won't be paying time-and-a-half for six people to do one man's job.
  11. ToddK_2 posted on 05/05/2014 04:22 PM
    There is a fundamental conflict of interest with Government Union Workers and the managers on the sunshine list. They drive everyone's cost of living up when they hold us hostage and we are the one's paying their unsustainable wages and benefits.

    Are unions really needed for a Government as an employer? That's what we have to ask ourselves when the biggest cost of our government is the entitled workforce and yes the fat cat management too.
    1. Frank posted on 05/05/2014 04:38 PM
      @ToddK_2 Simply put, almost nobody who buys their groceries with taxpayer money should be allowed to vote.

      Public sector employees shouldn't be allowed to vote at all, because that leads to them propping up puppet organizations like the Working Families Coalition and effectively voting for their own pay raises, regardless of how much it screws up our economy.

      People who receive welfare also shouldn't get a ballot, because choosing the people who run our government should be a privilege reserved for people who actually contribute to society.

      The only exception ought to be people who worked their whole lives but still had to go on social assistance when they retired, or people who were injured on the job and are on disability. They did their part, and would still be doing their part if they could.
    2. HP posted on 05/05/2014 04:50 PM
      @Frank "Simply put, almost nobody who buys their groceries with taxpayer money should be allowed to vote"

      Interesting...so all politicians, retirees, welfare recipients, civil servants, police, fire, and EMS, public housers, TTC employees, all government contract workers, LCBO employees, Park/Game Wardens, the military, meat inspectors, judges, CBC/TVO employees, all employees of companies that do road work, plow snow, owners and employees of companies that own buildings that government rents, etc. should be disenfranchised?

      I like that...even I couldn't vote.
    3. Angry Bill posted on 05/05/2014 05:00 PM
      @HP You should have read beyond the first paragraph.

      While a bit draconian, I don't terribly disagree with what he said.
    4. HP posted on 05/05/2014 05:08 PM
      @Angry Bill I did, scared the crap out of me. The next step are concentration or work camps for those that don't "contribute" to society? And what about the housewives, disabled, mentally challenged and ill...where does one draw the line? Who will decide who are the parasites? Civil servants and the military would be defined as parasites.

      At one time only male landowners could vote, we've kind evolved from that.
    5. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 05:16 PM
      @HP haha...what should we do with Frank HP? i don't know should i laugh or ....well i'll just laugh.
      his ideology kind of sounds like Harpers NEW "Fair Elections Act" :)
    6. arthur posted on 05/05/2014 05:20 PM
      @HP not to worry! Frank has it figured out.
      if you're mentally challenged and disabled but have conservative leanings you qualify to vote. :)
  12. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 05:11 PM
    Tim Hudak has already lost this election due to supporting anti-workers so called 'right to work' legislation.
    Plus his 'million new jobs' catch phrase lacks credibility just like Rob Fords 'saved a billion dollars' rant.
    1. Dean posted on 05/05/2014 05:29 PM
      @Alex There you go again, spouting this nonsense about right-to-work being "anti-worker." Either you work for CUPE or you're intentionally being obtuse.

      The only workers that will be negatively affected by right-to-work are the incompetent, lazy workers who currently only receive a paycheck because their union makes it impossible to fire them; the sort of people who would have been let go as a liability years ago if they had been working in an honest, non-union environment.

      And because I know you're such a stickler for vocabulary, Alex, I'll clarify further: When I say 'union,' I don't mean it as in any old group of people, or the union of provinces that make up Canada, or a union between atoms to make a molecule or any of the other irrelevant entries you'll pull out of your thesaurus.

      I mean, specifically, the sort of union where the membership decides that regardless of the state of the economy, they want a raise, and that the easiest way for them to get it is to antagonize and attack innocent people by blockading their transit, filling their streets with garbage, turning our children into political pawns or leaving hospital patients to die without care.
    2. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 06:39 PM
      @Dean Not overly concerned about your thoughts Dean.
      But thanks anyway for your rant and rave.
      What I said stands true.
    3. Dean posted on 05/05/2014 06:55 PM
      @Alex You're very welcome. The next time you start spreading CUPE-approved lies about financial policy, I'll be more than happy to correct you again.

      Not so much for your benefit, mind you; regardless of whether you've been drinking the CUPE Kool-Aid or are doing this on purpose to mess with people, I doubt anything I say is going to change your mind. But if I can keep even one person from believing your lies, it's just one more good deed I can write in my diary.
    4. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 07:34 PM
      @Dean Dean you may wish to get your eyes checked because I don't believe that what you say is found in my comments.
      Probably more like your own mind).
  13. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 06:42 PM
    I think Tim Hudak is a bit of a wanna be Republican in Canada.
    He is not a Canadian Conservative but more of an 'every man for himself' vs 'we're all in this together'.
  14. Unions Kill Industry posted on 05/05/2014 07:06 PM
    I support Tim Hudak and the PCs because they are the only party running in this election who show any sign at all of resisting endless and unsustainable union demands. For the same reason, I support Working Canadians, a group working to expose the completely unethical behaviour of big unions in our country.
    1. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 07:31 PM
      @Unions Kill Industry And who funds the organization calling itself 'Working Canadians'?

      Answer: Business.

      (I listened to a radio show that had a representative from this group and and they did everything they could to avoid this question and answer, but they finally had to admit it. Then they tried to suggest that it was like pulling teeth to get money from the business community ...LOL).
    2. Unions Kill Business posted on 05/05/2014 07:43 PM
      @Alex Oh no, anything but Business! Evil, evil Business, creating jobs and letting people earn a living in exchange for productive work! When will Big Bad Business quit cruelly providing goods and services in exchange for money and just leave us little folk alone?!
    3. Peter posted on 05/05/2014 07:57 PM
      @Alex If businesses disappeared from Ontario (and they will, if the Liberals stay in power or worse, the NDP get elected again) then we would all have to either flee to other places, starve to death, or start subsistence farming in the abandoned backyards of the suburbs. No businesses means no jobs, means no money, means no Ontario. Even the unions you seem to support would have to leave, farm, or starve, since there would be no money in public pockets for them to take.

      If unions disappeared in Ontario, private companies would emerge to fill the vacuum and provide the services unions used to reluctantly perform. We'd still have buses, for example, but the guys driving them would be a lot more interested in providing good customer service (since their job depends on the company turning a profit) and in safety (no union to shield them from the consequences of their actions if someone gets hurt.

      See, there's a big difference between a business and a union. Both are basically just large groups of people working towards a common goal, but a business produces things with the aim of trading them for money that it can use for other things. Unions just sort of sit in one place and slowly ooze outward, like a fungus or cancer. They just grow, and consume, and make everything they touch a little less efficient and a little less productive.

      Business will do fine when unions are abolished. Unions would crumble and die without businesses to leech from. I'll support a business over a union every single day of the week.
  15. Alex posted on 05/05/2014 09:03 PM
    And to the two comments above about the group calling themselves "Working Canadians".

    Here big business and smaller business try to mislead the public with the image of a grass roots group of people. Yet the truth is this dishonest name represents the opposite.

    Of course unions will do the same such games, pretending to be a grass roots organization.

    It is too bad the everyday person can't trust what these groups as they try to manipulate public opinion to their benefit.
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 05/06/2014 11:33 AM
      @Alex You really should consider yourself to be a spokes-person for the Liberals.

      I've never seen one spout such nonsense in their defence with a straight face- and actually believe such bull-crap.
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