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From the Campaign Trail: Hudak proposes public sector job cuts

The Tory leader announced plan to shrink the deficit

He's been talking about creating jobs all week but today, Tim Hudak says he wants to cut 100,000 of them in the public sector. The Progressive Conservative leader says it's the only way to to balance the books in 2016 - one year before the Liberals have promised to.

Hudak stresses his plan to slash jobs wouldn't affect those in education or nurses. If elected as Premier on June 12th, he also wants to put in place an across-the-board public sector wage freeze and shrink cabinet from 27 ministers to 16.

The premier called his ideas disastrous. While in Kingston, Kathleen Wynne says Hudak's plan with move Ontario backward because of service cuts, which would put the most vulnerable people at risk.

In Windsor, NDP leader Andrea Horwath said it would devastate families.

Horwath re-announced her party's plan for a 10 per cent credit on machine and equipment spending in the manufacturing sector. She maintains that will help create jobs.

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  1. Mike posted on 05/09/2014 02:16 PM
    people the only way to reach our goal of creating a million jobs and getting this province back on track is by eliminating 100 thousand jobs
    1. tanjo posted on 05/09/2014 02:45 PM
      @Mike Okay so far he has announced:

      200,000 Apprenticeship opportunities (effectively creating 200,000 more competitors for existing job pool.

      Cutting 100,000 Public Sector jobs to balance the budget. Effectively adding another 100,000 competitors for existing job pool.

      So far, he has announced how he will make it more difficult for us to find a job. He has yet to mention anything concrete regarding increasing the job pool.
    2. Ernie posted on 05/09/2014 04:58 PM
      @tanjo @ Tanjo

      Governments cannot create any jobs except tax sucking public sector jobs. Therefore, anyone that works for the government needs to be at least as efficient as the private sector or all we get is a huge vacuum created by tax dollars being waited.

      However, although governments cannot create jobs, they can create an environment to make it business friendly to create work. Admittedly, some of the more important issues fall squarely in the lap of the federal government as opposed to provincial.

      The biggest issue is the value of the Canadian $. Most Canadians only think of going to buffalo or that Florida holiday cost as being affordable when the dollar is at par. Yes it is - but what good does it do if we are all unemployed because the dollar is at par.

      The Harper Government is so eager to sell oil and they don't care about the manufacturing sector. They have allowed the world to push up the Canadian dollar so strong to become an oil dollar killing jobs in Ontario. I really think Harper is an idiot when it comes to trade, oil and that Canada needs a strong manufacturing sector. The Canadian government needs to put place policy that will drive down the dollar. Like dropping interest rates even lower. A low dollar will jumpstart manufacturing. I am sure that if we had a 65 cent dollar again, the 250 jobs lost yesterday at the soup company would not be going to Missouri.

      Ask those people if its more important for them to have a cheap florida vacation or a job!

      Hudac however can do things to help with his policy. Low energy rates by cleaning up the hydro delivery system in Ontario would be a huge move to create jobs. Eliminating red tape from the newly formed Ontario College of Trades set up by McGuinty as nothing more than a way to promote union participation and eliminating the ability of companies to hire apprentices. It used to be that you could have 1 electrical apprentice for every 2 journeymen electricians. Now is 1 to 6. This is union protectionism for higher paid journeymen - nothing more.

      Wynnes approach to job creation - I,.e give open textg $100,000 for each job created is totally flawed. How can a clerks job at $50 k be worth a $100,000 govt hand out. Any why is Open Text the only one that is so entitled?

      Remember when Blackberry was the entitled ones? Where are they now - jobs gone !
  2. Mark posted on 05/09/2014 03:04 PM
    For the idiots out there who are scoffing at hudak's one million job plan. This is a plan encompassing his term(s) in office. Even if he does not accomplish this goal, I'd rather he be working on that than paying off unions with gifts.
    1. tanjo posted on 05/09/2014 03:14 PM
      @Mark I don't think anyone expects him to wave a magic wand and a million jobs will appear. At least, I hope not.

      So far though, he is 300,000 in the hole. That's an awful long way to have to dig out.
    2. Ernie posted on 05/09/2014 05:02 PM
      @tanjo @Tango
      Remember when McGuinty promised a million jobs in the solar and wind energy sector?

      Do you know what his definition of a job was? It had nothing to do with how many hours somebody worked. So for example, a bull dozer operator hired to grade a laneway through a farmers field to the site of a wind turbine (ie 4 hours work) was classified as creating 1 job. If they hired the same guy next week to do another one - that's another job.
    3. Alex posted on 05/09/2014 05:09 PM
      @Mark Ok...so now I get it. Tim is going to provide one million non-union jobs.
      So we'll be able to get more than 2 checkouts open at Walmart, the drive thru at Tim Hortons will be fully staffed at all hours, and McDonalds washrooms will have toilet paper and paper towels.
  3. HP posted on 05/09/2014 03:10 PM
    Hudak is not only crazy but dangerous:

    1. 100,000 civil service job cuts would add 100,000 to the long term unemployed. Civil servants are essentially unemployable in the private sector so Ontario's unemployment would skyrocket.

    2. Each civil service job supports 4 other jobs. You'll see the Ontario GDP drop by 2% as stores close, sales drop, house sales plummet, welfare roles quadruple.

    3. Union contracts don't allow for pay freezes, McGuinty tried but could only freeze management salaries, a freeze that's still in effect. Essentially, the workies have been get pay raises for 10 years, their managers now make less than the people they manage.

    4. Reducing cabinet ministers from 27 to 16 will severely affect the operations of all departments in Ontario. If you think there's problems in Ontario now, wait until Hudak gets elected, everything from parks, transportation, education...essentially everything will become worse than the worst in America...taxes will go up, services down, and try renewing your fishing or driving licence.

    At least Hudak just lost 100,000 votes, but the public sector wasn't voting for him anyway.
    1. Ernie posted on 05/09/2014 05:10 PM
      @HP @HP

      At least the 100,000 civil service people doing NOTHING would then be doing nothing on unemployment insurance and then after some period of time off the dole. Creating a healthy economy means we have to have a wide range of work available - even for low skilled former civil servants. There are over 200 jobs available right now for example to clean student housing to get it ready for next fall. Can a civil servant clean a toilet?

      2. Each civil service job supports 4 other jobs? Did you totally pick that number out of your ass? If a civil servant makes $60,000 per year, how can his earnings pay for 4 other people making $60,000 per year. You really are an idiot.

      3. You can legislate pay freezes if you have the balls for the job and Horvath and Wynne don't. If they refulse to work - fire them like Regan did. Enough is enough.

      4. You want more useless cabinet ministers responsible for what? Most are honor type positions doing nothing. Get a grip

      BTW Fuck the public sector and their winey asses - which you no doubt are one of
    2. Frankie posted on 05/09/2014 05:22 PM
      @HP 1. If civil servants are unemployable in the private sector it's only because their work ethic would bankrupt any private sector company. They'll eventually learn how the rest of us work and adjust.
      2. You have this backwards. It takes 4 private sector jobs to support 1 civil service job thanks to unions, wasteful policies and inefficiencies.
      3. Politicians don't have the guts to institute pay freezes in union contracts, and management is bloated.
      4. The only reason departments operations would be affected is in item 1 above. If the civil service were run the way private companies are run there'd be far fewer civil servants, spending would be more efficient, allowing for both lower taxes AND more bang for the buck.

      Ontario's debt is already 5 X that of California per capita, and that was before the crazy budget the Liberals presented.

      Wynne is crazy and dangerous, as are the morons that keep voting Liberal.
    3. Ernie posted on 05/09/2014 05:37 PM
      @HP The ONLY way that 1 civil service job supports 4 other jobs is if it takes 5 of them to do what should be done by 1 of them.

      Time to get rid of the 4 useless tits
    4. don was right posted on 05/09/2014 10:19 PM
      @HP 1- so by essentially unemployable you are pointing out that they are as useless as y*ts on a bull. True dat.

      2- so if you fire 100,000 then another 400,000 will just disappear. Beautyiful.

      3-3 union contracts? just tear them up. if the pay cheques are suddenly 30 percent less, let them start compaining. Go on strike even.

      4- you are saying that Liz Sandals is useful?
  4. ToddK_2 posted on 05/09/2014 03:22 PM
    This provincial government is probably the most bloated government in Canada and probably the US. A well-oiled small government moves quick and is cheap and less of a burden on the Tax payers. He has my vote.
    1. HP posted on 05/09/2014 03:31 PM
      @ToddK_2 You need to understand that the military, law enforcement, first responders, teachers, medical providers, air traffic controllers, etc., all the service providers you take for granted are all civil servants. Yes, governments are big but only because the taxpayers want that level of service.

      What you really don't want is the American model...they have big government but everyone is on their own...no safety net, no medical plans, police are useless, and people live in fear. Canada is lucky, trouble is that Canadians don't realize ow lucky we are.
    2. ToddK_2 posted on 05/09/2014 04:23 PM
      @HP No not talking about those jobs, I bet you there are 100,000 people who push useless paper all day.
    3. HP posted on 05/09/2014 04:41 PM
      @ToddK_2 Nope, they push that paper because it's a central part of their job. First you need to get rid of the useless paper, then you won't need the people to "push" it.

      Those that know, the Ontario government computerized all records, starting in the 70's, then went back and computerized a lot of the old records. Civil servants really don't push paper...and all government jobs are posted and the competition is very transparent and fair. Most Ontario government jobs require several interviews, many are interviewed by committee, usually three interviewers to ensure impartiality and transparency...many jobs require prerequisite study and projects that are presented at the interview.

      It's actually very difficult to get hired in the Ontario government, especially in the last 10 years during he McGuinty hiring freeze which is still in effect. However, the Ontario civil service has a reputation for hiring the very best.
    4. Ernie posted on 05/09/2014 05:13 PM
      @HP Taxpayers want that level of service? What service exactly are you referring to?
      I went into a service Ontario office last week to update an ohip card. There were 4 civil servents sitting at the counter playing on their computers - I was the only "customer" there

      What level of service were they really providing? Most of their time is waist!
    5. MarkFromEtobicoke posted on 05/09/2014 06:04 PM
      @Ernie You must have shown up during a quiet period. Whenever I walk by the service Ontario office in Cloverdale Mall there are at least a dozen people lined up, often stretching out the door into the mall concourse. Of course you would then complain about lazy civil servants, never mind doing the work takes a certain amount of time whether done by a government employee or the private sector.
    6. DMCP posted on 05/09/2014 09:38 PM
      @HP Are you referring to the hiring committees that only hire women, immigrants, gays and lesbians. The endangered species known as white male need not apply because they won't get an interview.
    7. don was right posted on 05/09/2014 10:14 PM
      @ToddK_2 @HP ontario has no military or air traffic controllers unless they work for Ornge, most first responders work for mulicipalities not Ont govt; too many over paid fire guys blocking highway traffic as it is but they too dont work for Ont govt, the useless OPP can't get a native blockade cleared without killing someone; how many $100,00 teachers does it take to babysit a bunch of 5 year olds never mind the thousands of educrats and professoers on the sunshine list? Then there is OPG OLG LCBO Pan Am Games ( fuster cluck of overpaid useless twits ) metrolinx, LHIN deadwood, TVO. Fire them all and save even more.
  5. Akram Shah posted on 05/09/2014 09:59 PM
    I Like this Guy he is consistant now... Focusing on "Job", Jobs, & Jobs two days ago and today 100,000 Job Cuts... he will say anything to win you vote. Unfortuately, other two are no better
  6. Alex posted on 05/09/2014 10:55 PM
    If Tim Hudak is going to be specific about the exact number of jobs (one million) then should he not be specific about what type of jobs?

    Are they full time?
    Are they part time?
    Are they permanent:
    Are they temp?
    1. don was right posted on 05/10/2014 09:47 AM
      @Alex you forgot:
      Are they Union
  7. earl posted on 05/10/2014 10:13 AM
    Lots of 'boomer bureaucrats are ready to retire. Just need a little push out the door. Teachers with fat pension plans. Ministry staff with same. Eliminate the foreign owned beer store monopoly, more jobs would result. For all you communist-NDP-Liberals out there just think how much better to have 2M people working for half the outrageous salary+benefits than 1M fat cats with endless benefits and supports sucking the life blood out of the economy. Its organized crime -oops - unions that don't like this because their coffers go down.
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