UPDATE: Tim Hudak prioritizes relief subway line

PC leader also wants province to take control of city subways

The Progressive Conservatives tried to woo coveted Greater Toronto Area voters on Sunday with a transportation plan designed to appeal both to transit and highway commuters.
Tory leader Tim Hudak announced that, if elected, his party would expand GO Transit service, build a new subway line across Toronto and expand highways in the region.
Hudak promised his government would spend up to $2 billion annually on transit once the budget is balanced, saying the initiatives will create 96,000 jobs as part of the Tories' "million jobs plan."
The transportation push would see a new "express" subway line stretching from Toronto's west end to its east and linking up to the
existing east-west subway line. The transit proposal as a whole could help ease congestion on trains and on the roads, he said.

"Nothing more frustrating than when you're packed in like sardines at Yonge and Bloor," Hudak said, referring to a main transfer point between Toronto's two major subway lines that is
frequently packed during rush hours.

"I understand there's nothing more frustrating (than) when you're sitting there stuck on the highway, white knuckles on the wheel because you're going to miss your daughter's school play."

The Tories would also have the provincial government take over subway and light rail lines operated by the Toronto Transit Commission along with major highways in the area not already under provincial purview.

Hudak cited the Gardiner Expressway and the Don Valley Parkway in Toronto, two major arteries that funnel commuters from suburbs and the so-called 905 region in and out of Toronto.

The Liberals scooped up most of the ridings in that region immediately surrounding Toronto in the last election, and all three main parties have spent much time in the early days of the election
campaigning there.

Those highways and GO Transit service would also be expanded, Hudak said.

"I know that people have heard all kinds of politicians say the same thing and nothing ever gets done," he said at a mid-town
Toronto transit yard.

"It's time to take a bold new course."

It can all be done without an accompanying tax hike, Hudak said.

The Tories say money will be drawn from expected budget surpluses and a dedicated fund, getting "better value" from existing transit operations and bringing in the private sector to help run transit,  an idea the TTC's biggest union is dead-set against.

Hudak's platform roll-out was temporarily derailed when transit police took umbrage with a throng of television cameras following Hudak as he set out to ride the subway to his announcement. The subway line was stopped for about 10 minutes and Hudak ultimately abandoned the subway journey.

An aide later said the party hadn't received permission ahead of time, while Hudak himself said he hoped no Mother's Day plans were disrupted.

Premier Kathleen Wynne's Liberals are campaigning on their own transit plan, which they laid out in the budget that NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said she wouldn't support, triggering the election.

That 10-year, $29-billion transportation blitz would be divided equally between the Toronto-Hamilton area and the rest of the

The budget had said about two-thirds of that money would come from dedicated revenue tools, including restricting tax credits for large corporations, with about a quarter of it from provincial borrowing and the balance from the federal government.

The Liberals have eschewed other so-called revenue tools proposed by provincial transit authority Metrolinx and their own advisory panel, such as raising fuel taxes and the Harmonized Sales Tax. They also rejected the NDP's proposal to increase corporate taxes to fund transit, saying it would be "extremely risky in our economy."

The New Democrats and a union representing Toronto transit workers have accused Wynne of trying to privatize public transit in the city, saying a 30-year maintenance contract for the light-rail line has been awarded to a private company.

Wynne, who slammed the other parties for failing to expand transit in Toronto when they were in government, said Horwath's claims "just are not true." She said her government has been working with the private sector, but believes that public transit must be publicly owned.

Meanwhile, Wynne said Sunday that a new Liberal ad targeting Horwath isn't a personal attack, but is rather "making a contrast" between the two parties.

Horwath has not yet unveiled her party's transit platform, but said in April that her party would sell the province's General Motors shares, a one-time gain, and put off a proposed Toronto subway extension to Thornhill, north of the city.

She said she would put the $3.5 billion that would be spent on that project to build a downtown relief line and a planned east-end subway extension.

Horwath announced Sunday that the New Democrats would make a one-time $100 million injection into licensed child care in the province if they win the June 12 election.

The money, to be spent next year, would go toward "stabilizing" a system destabilized by the Liberal government, Horwath said in Hamilton.

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  1. MarkFromEtobicoke posted on 05/11/2014 01:48 PM
    This would be more credible if Hudak acknowledged the previous Mike Harris PC government was wrong to cancel the cross-town Eglinton subway that the Bob Ray NDP government had started. If Harris hadn't cancelled it, we would have a full size subway running today from Black Creek to Laird and not a light rail line under construction and scheduled to open in the 2020s. In addition, a westward extension to Pearson would probably be under construction if not already finished.

    A Provincial Conservative government building subways in Toronto? My ass!
  2. Alex posted on 05/11/2014 01:56 PM
    I think Tim Hudak (kind of like Rob Ford) is now wearing his Liberal or NDP hat.
    Everybody wants to save the tax payers money till they see the toy that they want associated with their time in office.
  3. Adriane Taylor posted on 05/11/2014 03:29 PM
    Well better late than never....Wynne has had 11 years to make a dint in the new subway line (which is pretty much the same since it was first built 60 years ago)...anyone who has been to San Francisco knows how convenient it is to hop on the transit from the airport and go downtown...we were supposed to have that up and running before the Pan Am doesn't look like it will get done...what do all those politicians do year after year except collect their big salaries and criticize each other? Where are the visionaries?
    1. Walter posted on 05/11/2014 10:11 PM
      @Adriane Taylor When all is said and done, more subway was built in about 7 years of Mike Harris rule than has been built in over 11 years of Liberal rule.
      Those glorified streetcars do not count - and none will actually be built for over 5 years.
    2. sam posted on 05/12/2014 01:29 AM
      @Walter remind me again which stations were built and how was it paid?
  4. Doug Ford posted on 05/11/2014 04:57 PM
    Rob says that all people in Ontario who don't live in Toronto must pay for Toronto's subway, it's the only way we can show respect for all taxpayers. So, voters who live in Ottawa, Kingston, North Bay, and Kapukasing, shove it up your ass...Toronto wants your money and Hudak will give it to Rob.

    Now that's respecting the taxpayer, like Robby wants.

    God Bless Toronto


    Thank You

    And he wishes his wife, The Pollack, a Happy Mother's Day because she is a real mother!
  5. Jessie posted on 05/11/2014 05:03 PM
    And the age old questions that no politician wants to answer...

    1) How much is it going to cost? (no clue)

    2) How are we going to pay for it? (provide some ambiguous answer about broad transit spending that probably won't cut it, along with private sector involvement)

    3) What alignment is it going to take? (no clue)

    4) How long is it going to be/where will it start and end? (no clue)

    We have about 30 years worth of transit studies on a DRL. Its not like this is a whole new unexplored subway line. Maybe you guys could pick one up, make a few phone calls to their authors, and actually come up with some semblance of a plan for a subway instead of this kind of ambiguous proposal. We are talking about billions of dollars in public money after all.
  6. Ken posted on 05/11/2014 09:34 PM
    Attention Socialist Lieberals and the No Damn Plan Commie Party.

    Check your history on Toronto subways. All 64 stations opened under Conservative governments!

    Put that reality in your dopey pipes and smoke it!
    1. Alex posted on 05/11/2014 11:14 PM
      @Ken Looks like you're leaving the crack and the crack pipe for racist Rob Ford.
    2. Walter posted on 05/12/2014 07:20 AM
      @Ken If memory serves me correctly, the infill North York Centre station and Downsview station were partially built under Liberal governments. so lets call it 68 for PC, and 1 for Liberal.
    3. Caracticus posted on 05/21/2014 06:35 PM
      @Walter Remember "Mike Harris"? He slashed funding for infrastructure, and just about everything else. Which party was he? Conservative.

      No one does selective memory like a Con.
  7. arthur posted on 05/12/2014 01:23 AM
    oh please! the tea party is going to bring you transit folks and there won't be any tax hikes either. the conservatives record is canceling transit not looking for ways to bring it in
  8. The Week in Review - Conservatives posted on 05/12/2014 04:56 AM
    Hudak will cut corporate taxes (less tax revenue) - create 200,000 spots for apprentices and add them to the labour pool - cut 100,000 jobs from the provincial civil service (less tax revenue) - put 2 billion per year into transit - expand the GO system - expand highways - build a cross-town subway (to replace the one that Harris cancelled) - and all of this will be done with no increase in taxes.

    Right, Tim - nice math. Anyone with an IQ above 80 knows this to be impossible.
    And - oh yes, Hudak did all this while making a mere 5 major gaffes including not getting permission to film his trip on the subway.
    1. tanjo posted on 05/13/2014 09:34 AM
      @The Week in Review - Conservatives In fairness, the 100,000 jobs will save some money ... although much of it might be "budget" savings, not actual money saved. Government departments hold on to vacant positions in their budget so that they can cut them, if they are asked to cut their budgets by a certain percentage.

      However, it does not save nearly enough to cover the promises.

      Take note however, he committed to subways "after the budget is balanced". How long is that? 4 years? 8 years? Then another 5-10 years before anything actually happens? That way he can make a promise and not have to make good on it for a long long time!
  9. The Week in Review - NDP posted on 05/12/2014 05:00 AM
    Make unsubstantiated allegations - yada, yada, yada.

    Spend ... spend ... spend ... yada, yada, yada.

    Slipping in the polls - good, good, good.
  10. The Week in review - Liberals posted on 05/12/2014 05:04 AM
    Wynne picked a fight with Harper - good - overdue

    Spent the balance of the week on defence.

    Otherwise - quite ordinary and not noteworthy.
    1. john posted on 05/12/2014 11:21 AM
      @The Week in review - Liberals of course she is going after Harper she is a lesbian and thay hate men .

      anyways jokes aside . talk about barking up the wrong tree she should be focus on the election . and telling people how she is going to SCREW money form hard earned money . not bitching about somebody who is REALLY elected .
  11. The Week in Review - Summary - The Big 3 posted on 05/12/2014 05:11 AM
    Hudak - unveiled a scattering of things that are self-contradictory and can't work

    Horwath - still waiting to reveal anything in the way of a platform ?

    Wynne - mixed good offence with average defence - moments of note - and of boredom.

    It has to get better, folks !
    1. tanjo posted on 05/13/2014 09:27 AM
      @The Week in Review - Summary - The Big 3 As I said at the beginning of this: They are in a race to see who screws up the least.

      Honestly I am in "First Draft Pick" mode. I hope the Liberals win (a minority) so that the PCs can find a leader that actually thinks before speaking.
  12. MichaelB_2952 posted on 05/12/2014 06:20 AM
    Tim Hudak wants to take over the subway system in Toronto. He wants to run the mostly profitable lines while the TTC gets stuck with the less than profitable bus and streetcar lines. If the TTC loses control of the subway lines, there will be nothing subsidizing many of the bus and streetcar lines. Either fares will have to go up or bus lines will have to get cancelled or both.
  13. James posted on 05/12/2014 06:42 AM
    I understand why the piggy public sector union members and the hog teachers will vote for the libranos despite the damage they have done to the rest of us and the province but I honestly think something is wrong with the other clowns that would vote liberal. These clowns, are looked down upon by the liberals. The liberals see these morons as simple minded mentally weak individuals who they know are incapable of independent thought.
    1. brian posted on 05/12/2014 07:00 AM
      @James maybe the clowns you are talking about are not impress with the alternatives - I always wonder why people who call themselves right wing call people who don't think like them nasty names - James can you explain?
    2. Angry Bill posted on 05/12/2014 09:44 AM
      @brian That actually speaks volumes, brian, if liberal voters "are not impress" with the alternatives. That would imply that they ARE impressed with the provincial liberal track record so far during their two terms in office. Which kinda boggles the mind if you think about it.
    3. Brian posted on 05/12/2014 10:52 AM
      @Angry Bill Bill it does not imply that I am impress with the liberal government - All I am saying is what Hudak is proposing is crab simple - Nothing to do with Liberals -

      Can you read my post again and tell me where I said that I was impress with the liberals?
    4. Angry Bill posted on 05/12/2014 10:59 AM
      @Brian Hi, Brian. Sure, I'd be happy to. You stated that you are not impress with the alternatives. That statement, in the absence of any further clarification to the contrary, implies that you therefore ARE impressed with the current government, which, by definition, is not one of "the alternatives".
    5. Brian posted on 05/12/2014 11:10 AM
      @Angry Bill just to make it clear so you don't have to draw any conclusion - what the liberals did is crap, what Mr Hudak is proposing is crap -

      now the real questions is what crap should I vote for - policy of mismanagement or policy of stupid ideology
  14. Loretta posted on 05/12/2014 10:18 AM
    Tim - hope the votes you gain in Toronto will offset the votes this plan will cost you in the rest of the province.

    Was there not another party that recently promised the sky to the GTA and cost us all - is this just the next gas plant project??
  15. Angry Bill posted on 05/12/2014 11:06 AM
    At this point, I don't care if Hudak runs on a platform of ensuring every hobo in Toronto has a wife beater shirt.

    We're not voting FOR Hudak. We're voting AGAINST the liberals. The liberals have lost any moral mandate to lead us years ago. The lies, coverups, corruption, and arrogance in believing we are all dumb enough to still vote for them again in spite of all that, disqualify them as being suitable to lead us.

    As is evidenced by some posts here, however, some of us apparently ARE dumb enough to vote for them again in spite of all that. :-/
    1. tanjo posted on 05/13/2014 09:49 AM
      @Angry Bill I agree. Voting Liberal this time will only enforce their sense of entitlement and add to their presumtion of invulnerability.

      The one mistake you are making is that vote for Hudak IS a vote for his policies. If he gets in with a minority, it's all good. If he gets in with a majority, then things can get much worse than they are now.

      Despite his million-jobs claim, Hudak is about lowering the cost of operating a corporation in Ontario. Payroll is generally the largest single cost to corporation, followed by Rent. Hudak is looking to lower your wages.

      While the Liberals have cost us hundreds of dollars out of our pockets, Hudak could cost us thousands.

      My situation is ambivalent. As a investor in companies, I am looking forward to more profits. As someone who still needs to work for another 30 year, I am worried.
  16. Etobi-COKE Dry Cleaner posted on 06/02/2014 03:57 AM
    Yep Doug Holyday is a real expert.

    Good you found him Timmy.

    Amazing he was Deputy Mayor and he was totally unaware that the Mayor was such as mess-up. Another Etobico politico running around with his parking lights on.
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