Wynne claims Hudak would "destroy" the auto sector

Leaders talk manufacturing, education on the campaign trail

The teeth are coming out when it comes to manufacturing in Ontario.

Outside of Windsor, Premier Kathleen Wynne says a Tory government wouldn't value the auto sector as much as hers. She says if the auto industry plummets, the province's economy will go into the ditch.

Earlier in the year, Tory leader Tim Hudak attacked a government grant for Chrysler, which the company ultimately rejected, going with their own funding. And while Hudak criticizes what he calls corporate welfare again, he popped up at another plant - in Cobourg - which received provincial funding.

Hudak brushes that aside, vowing to help businesses by lowering taxes and hydro rates.

In Brampton, NDP leader Andrea Horwath says the provincial government needs to expand opportunity in the auto sector.

She says Ontario should sit down with companies to see what other jurisdictions offer them as incentives and see what the province can offer.

Horwath spoke about her 'Open Schools' fund which would give money to schools in need of help with extra curricular activities and renovations.

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  1. Dean posted on 05/21/2014 02:14 PM
    Right, like I'll believe economic predictions from someone with no plan to reduce our debt, no plan to reduce spending, and no plan to do anything besides destroying the economy of this province.

    I'll be voting PC, and so should you. We have eleven long years of Liberal damage to repair.
    1. Sonny posted on 05/21/2014 03:05 PM
      @Dean She's right. Hudak doesn't believe in Corporate Welfare which is why he keeps doing photo ops at places that get it. Vote NDP or Green!
  2. Fact Provider posted on 05/21/2014 02:27 PM
    **** Another "Photo-OOPS" for Hudak ****

    Less than 2 days ago I predicted on this site "more gaffes and laughs" from Tea Party Tim this week.

    It didn't take him long to live down to my expectations.

    Today in Cobourg Tim railed for the 3rd time against government grants for businesses and then found out, again for the 3rd time, that his photo-OOps was at a business which received such grants.

    Smooth move, Tim. You continue to show just how incompetent you are.
    1. Alice posted on 05/21/2014 02:31 PM
      @Fact Provider Oddly enough, nobody but you seems to see these things as evidence that Hudak isn't fit to govern. On the other hand, thousands of people are ready to see the Liberals leave office for a good long time over the billions and billions of dollars that they've wasted in their miserable reign.

      So I guess the count is three gaffes versus billions of them. I know who I'm voting for.
    2. AC posted on 05/21/2014 02:58 PM
      @Alice to the moon Alice!
      Im with Mr. Provider
    3. bob posted on 05/21/2014 03:02 PM
      @Alice you think if Hudak won the last election he would of cancelled the gas plants Alice as he said he would or do you think he would of proceeded with it?
    4. Frankie posted on 05/21/2014 03:13 PM
      @bob At the time it was reported that had they waited until after the election the cancellation would have cost about $ 40 million vs $1 Billion before the election. That should say it all.
    5. Frankie posted on 05/21/2014 03:16 PM
      @Fact Provider You're correct that his team has been incompetent with these gaffes however, we have NO evidence he would destroy this province BUT we have 100% PROOF that the Liberals ARE incompetent in running this province, "stealing" and lying continually.

      Wynne can say what she wants but the proof is there for all to see these past 11 years.

      Hopefully you can understand the distinction.
  3. Concerned Ontarian posted on 05/21/2014 03:13 PM
    Hopefully the majority of Ontarians are going to see through the bull coming out of the Liberal party on the campaign trail. I'm wondering if she's going to Leamington and explain that the Heinz plant is closing under her watch as a result of her horrible corporate tax policy. Also, the auto industry has been faltering for years under the McGuinty government.
  4. HP posted on 05/21/2014 03:34 PM
    Hudak's policies will destroy much more than the auto sector, he's putting the entire province at risk with his slash and burn promises. His promise of creating a million new jobs by cutting 100,000 public sector jobs is ludicrous. Ontario has hit the peak of it's manufacturing jobs and will soon be losing auto sector jobs Each lost auto sector job will result in the loss of 7 related jobs. No manufacturing company can afford to open new facilities in Ontario...the cost of new infrastructure is simply too high. No company has the money to invest in new plants, equipment, job training in a market that has a shrinking customer base. Won't happen.

    The only new jobs that can be created are in the service sector which relies on people spending money...the service sector creates no real wealth, defined as taking many components and creating a product that can be sold for more than the value of it's parts, including the labour to create the product. Flipping hamburgers does no qualify as manufacturing. 1,000,000 new service jobs in Ontario is just plain stupid. Won't happen.

    Hudak is making stupid and dangerous promises as many politicians do in a campaign, I suspect that his supporters are simply too stupid or just ignorant to grasp the ramifications if they are implemented. They can't seem to see beyond the micropicture of government debt and Liberal mismanagement.

    If Hudak is elected Greece will look like an economic Nirvana.
    1. tanjo posted on 05/21/2014 03:47 PM
      @HP Never mind Greece. Hudak is aiming to compete with Bangladesh!
    2. HP posted on 05/21/2014 03:51 PM
      @tanjo Pretty much, and he'll lose.
    3. Dean posted on 05/21/2014 03:58 PM
      @HP Here we go again...

      You're latching on to the 10% cut to the public sector, and ignoring that it constitutes less than 10% of the plan. The jobs that Hudak will allow businesses to create will pull hundreds of thousands of people off of welfare; those people will give us the double benefit of less money needed for welfare spending and more tax revenue from their jobs, even after individual income tax rates are reduced.

      Less money wasted on redundant public servants, less money being spent on welfare, more money available to pay off our debt, more money available for services we actually need. The choice is clear: Hudak for Premier.
    4. Dean posted on 05/21/2014 03:59 PM
      @tanjo You both seem to be ignoring that Greece got to where it is through a completely out-of-control public sector.
    5. HP posted on 05/21/2014 04:22 PM
      @Dean It's a little more complicated than that:

      1. 60% of the Greek GDP was generated by the public sector

      2. The Greek Constitution provided for lifetime employment for the public sector, early retirement, and generous pensions, much like NDP policies here.

      3. Tax evasion is a spectator sport in Greece, the country spent more than it collected in taxes causing growing debt.

      4. Greece was using the Euro meaning that it could not print more money and inflate it's way out of the debt problem, just like Ontario using the Canadian dollar.

      5. As part of the EU, Greece was subject to deficit protocols, it could not borrow more money than stipulated by the EU covenant, something like 3.5% of annual GDP.

      6. Because of the protocols, no one could lend Greece more money, even at stupid high rates, so it required EU bailouts.

      7. The bailouts triggered austerity programs which led to constitutional amendments, riots, and over 25% unemployment.

      So, yes, Greece had a completely out-of-control public sector, a tourist industry, olive oil, bad wine, and a 1% that paid no taxes and ran the country. Sound familiar? Sadly, that public sector was their GDP, a country that can be compared to a village where everyone makes their living by doing each others' laundry...just the same shrinking drachma making the rounds. A good comparison is the service sector jobs that Hudak wants to create here.
    6. don was right posted on 05/21/2014 08:40 PM
      @HP yesterday on CBC ( ugh) Don walker of Magna said Magna is indeed opening plants. Just not in Ontario.
  5. don was rihjt posted on 05/21/2014 08:48 PM
    Liberals value auto sector? BS. Tell that to people from EMD in London. AG Simson. GM Oshawa. Timken. Ford St Thomas. Navistar Chatham. To her union freinds, the job is not done till the jobs are gone.
  6. Alex posted on 05/21/2014 09:03 PM
    Tim Hudak is a former Walmart manager who will manage the province like a Walmart store.
    That means bad things for Ontario.
  7. David posted on 05/21/2014 10:08 PM
    As usual Wynne is full of BS. It was under the Liberal's watch that Ontario lost some 300,000 jobs. The only sector that gained jobs was the government sector.

    So tell me you Liberal supporters, if the private sector (whose taxes pay the wages of government workers) lose jobs and the government sector gains jobs how long will it take before the private sector could no longer support the government sector?

    It's simple economics and math you idiots!
    1. Alex posted on 05/21/2014 10:37 PM
      @David So Tim says a million new jobs and out of the other corner of his mouth he is cutting jobs.
      But most disturbing is what defines a job?
      Does Tim think we are going to get excited about part time or temporary contract jobs?

      Let the former Walmart manager answer these questions!
  8. G Man posted on 05/23/2014 08:29 AM
    So the Liberals and NDP favour giving government grants to businesses, but taxing them at a higher rate, i.e., giving with one hand while taking away with the other. The PCs won't give corporate welfare, but will charge a lower tax rate to businesses. In theory, it sounds like their equivalent, however, the latter plan requires less bureaucracy (i.e., fewer government employees). Also, businesses can count on a more level playing field as tax rates affect all businesses while grants don't necessarily go to all businesses equally.
    1. Dean posted on 05/23/2014 08:42 AM
      @G Man Also, the PC plan benefits more Ontario citizens than the Liberal or NDP plans could possibly help. More jobs means fewer people on welfare, which means both less government spending AND more tax revenue to work with, even after individual income tax rates go down.

      Compare that to the Liberal or NDP platforms, which will make Ontario even more hostile to business than it already is, put MORE people on welfare, and eventually even hurt their Working Families Coalition supporters when there is no tax revenue left to pay the public sector unions.

      The choice is clear: Hudak for Premier.
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