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What to expect from the leadership debate

Provincial party leaders face-off

They're cracking their knuckles and maybe doing a few push-ups.

All three provincial party leaders are getting ready for the big debate on Tuesday, and McMaster University Political Science Professor Henry Jacek says they all have something they need to focus on.

For Tory leader Tim Hudak, it's becoming more likable, and changing the first impression he delivered during the last election. Jacek says a lot of voters think he comes off as a "smart aleck" on television.  

He says the NDP's Andrea Horwath needs to get back to basics, noting that when she spoke about pocketbook issues, he numbers surged in the polls. When she speaks in harsher tones about corruption, it doesn't resonate amongst supporters.

For the rookie at all-candidate debates, Jacek says Kathleen Wynne will be at a disadvantage. However, he notes that she shouldn't be completely thrown, given she has experience being in the hot-seat as Premier.

As for the biggest issue, Jacek says he thinks there will be a huge focus on if Horwath will commit to supporting Wynne or Hudak in a minority government situation. He says Hudak will also be pressed on the math in his Million Jobs Plan.

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  1. █Alex█ posted on 06/03/2014 05:38 AM
    █ Former Walmart manager, Tim Hudak will have on his big yellow smiley face, and will try to convince Ontario workers how we will 'save money, live better'█The reality however will be Ontario workers will get poorer and poorer while the rich business owners will get wealthier and wealthier█
    1. thor posted on 06/03/2014 03:29 PM
      @█Alex█ I knew you'd be the first to comment Alex. There are other jobs out there for you besides Wal-Mart. They already fired you once and I doubt they'd give you another job. Really, how much was required for you to collect the shopping carts from the lot. Face it, you blew it. Have you tried the fast food industry? Have you tried anything? You really need to get out of the basement into the real world.
    2. HP posted on 06/03/2014 03:43 PM
      @█Alex█ That's how capitalism and the free market work. Historically, only wars and severe depressions have redistributed the wealth of the "1%". Peace and economic stability result in the poor getting poorer and the rich eventually controlling all of the wealth. Only revolutions have rebalanced the wealth distribution in a civilization in times of peace and stability.

      That's why many of the poor rely on unions to help them achieve middle class status...if all unions are eliminated, it will guarantee that the rich will prevail.

      Hudak works for the capitalists, make no mistake. You'll see a big push in corporate, banking, IT, and finance to get him elected...many employees of large companies are already being pressured to vote for him or risk their jobs.
    3. Jack posted on 06/03/2014 04:01 PM
      @HP Ah yes, unions are truly devoted to helping the poor. That's why the Amalgamated Transit Union left 40,000 of them stranded in the cold for four months during their 2011-2012 YRT strike. Four months where the transit they depended on, being too poor to afford any other transportation, was being held hostage by people who routinely took to Twitter and Facebook to mock the people they were hurting and call them fascists for opposing the strike.

      Yes, unions truly do stick up for the little guy.
    4. █Alex█ posted on 06/03/2014 04:29 PM
      @thor █ thor, come back when you have some content to your message.█ Until then we will your comments under the childrens fiction section.█
  2. franklin posted on 06/03/2014 05:50 AM
    Will the $500,000 costs award the Law Society of Upper Canada has been ordered to pay 2 lawyers and scandal at the society (hidden case law, bencher conflicts, tainted judges, etc) break into the provincial election, and tonight's debate?
  3. █Alex█ posted on 06/03/2014 06:24 AM
    █Tim Hudak is a former Walmart manager who wants the working families of Ontario to have the same relationship with their employers that Walmart employee's have to endure with Walmart.█
  4. Fact Provider posted on 06/03/2014 07:22 AM
    *** BREAKING NEWS ( 1 ) ***

    PC leader Tim ( Harris X 10 ) Hudak has confirmed that he will be accompanied at the debate by his imaginary beach ball friend, "INVISIBALL".
    Mr. Hudak states that extending his arms in front of his body in a supportive gesture actually means he's hugging INVISIBALL for reassurance. He expects that most of his INVISIBALL moments will be during attempts at explaining the million jobs plan to the 14 million Ontario residents who don't believe a word of it.

    *** BREAKING NEWS ( 2 ) ***

    The American network, NBC, will also be in attendance.
    Immediately following the debate, Mr. Hudak will be auditioning for the part of Howdy Doody in that network's revival of the popular 50's children's TV show.

    Network insiders say he has a very good chance at the part since the resemblance between Hudak and the puppet character is amazing and Mr. Hudak is accustomed to having his strings pulled by others.
    1. June posted on 06/03/2014 11:24 AM
      @Fact Provider Crap Provider, how long have you been stupid like this? Were your parents also idiots, or are they ashamed of you too?
  5. Dave posted on 06/03/2014 08:43 AM
    I just don't care. We're basically being asked which plate of human excrement we want to eat for the next four years.
    1. Jack posted on 06/03/2014 08:49 AM
      @Dave Considering that one of the plates is promising to create jobs in Ontario, and the other two plates are promising to push more jobs our of Ontario, it's still a pretty simple decision.

      Remember: Ontario needs YOU to get out and vote BLUE.
    2. Bob posted on 06/03/2014 10:44 AM
      @Jack promising to create jobs with a plan that's been debunked by top economists doesn't do eff all for Ontario. Hell i could say the same thing doesn't mean sht.
      we need good strong funded social programs. we need a good living wage for the lower class on min wage. we need investment in transit and a plan to pay (not bullsht talk that the million jobs i create these people will pay for transit) we need straight talk on how to fund transit. transit is tops on my list.
      everyone pays their fair share in taxes. YES! that means you to business you have to pay your share
      the only straight talk i hear on transit is from the REDS.
      I'm voting Liberal and so should the people who want better transit
    3. Frankie posted on 06/03/2014 11:24 AM
      @Bob Even Dwight Duncan (in case you're unaware, he was Ontario Liberal Finance Minister before Sousa), has warned Wynne and Sousa that they're taking Ontario on a dangerous fiscal path. I want better transit too but I don't need a party that has stolen over $ 1 Billion, wasted over $ 6 Billion, and mismanaged the economy the past 11 years to continue their train wreck.
      I'm sure you either don't know or don't care that Ontario debt is now 5X that of California per capita (and California has been in serious financial trouble), that the Liberals have more than doubled the province's debt, that rating agencies have lowered Ontario's rating.

      I could go on but there'd be no point. As they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
    4. Dean posted on 06/03/2014 12:31 PM
      @Bob So, it doesn't matter to you that the Liberals have stolen, wasted, and mismanaged billions upon billions of dollars? You make it sound like that's acceptable behaviour.

      Social programs cannot be funded if nobody is able to pay taxes to fund them. The Liberals and NDP have both built their platform around doing everything they can to scare businesses out of Ontario, which means a massive loss of tax-providing private-sector jobs, which means a massive drop in the amount of money available to pay the salaries of the government employees who run your precious social programs.
  6. Dean posted on 06/03/2014 08:53 AM
    People like Alex are focusing way too much on the one part of the PC Plan that requires cutting government workers from 1.2 million down to 1.1 million. The truth is that this takes us back to the size of government we had in 2009, a time when we still had hospitals, schools, and police. We just didn't have the massive debt back then that's hurting our economy today.

    The PC Plan is the only one that involves any job creation, any debt reduction, any cuts to bloated government spending. The PC Plan is the only one that involves Ontario moving forward, rather than digging itself into a deeper and deeper hole.
    1. Sonny posted on 06/03/2014 12:44 PM
      @Dean The Province has 1.1 million gov't workers. Ontario's populaton has grown & aged since 2009; the Great Recession.

      The NDP is offering a tax credit for job creation. Corporations have been hoarding cash since getting Provincial & Federal tax cuts...
      In 2013, the centre piece of St. Flaherty's budget was the Jobs Training Grant that the Cons spent several million$ advertising that was never implemented...
  7. Frankie posted on 06/03/2014 11:16 AM
    Those who dislike the Conservatives will pick at any item and make a big deal out of it, while ignoring the elephant in the room, 11 years of the worst Liberal government in history, with another 4 to come if they win.

    They don't care that the only way government has money to spend comes from taxes, and the only way to receive taxes is for a vibrant private sector to fund their spending. We need civil servants, social programs, etc. but if we keep scaring away and shrinking the private sector that funds all of this we'll end up like Greece or Spain or any number of other failed economies.

    Then what?
    1. sean posted on 06/03/2014 11:27 AM
      @Frankie The what is Detroit. The liberals built that.
  8. Karen posted on 06/03/2014 11:21 AM
    Wynne is a crook. She belongs on prison, not in office.

    Anyone who is voting for her is either unethical or stupid.
    1. Sonny posted on 06/03/2014 12:46 PM
      @Karen Wynne is not McGuinty. the educated people of Toronto & the 905 will stop Hudak who has lied about his math...
    2. Jack posted on 06/03/2014 12:58 PM
      @Sonny Wynne is not McGuinty, but she makes similarly terrible decisions. For example, promising to inflict a job tax that will push even more businesses out of Ontario.

      Which means fewer people working.

      Which means less tax money coming in.

      Which means less money to fund the public sector unions and special interest groups that have been propping up this corrupt government since Day 1.

      Which means that everybody, including Liberal supporters, lose if the Liberals take power again.
    3. Sonny posted on 06/03/2014 01:14 PM
      @Jack Given Canadian born women are not having enough babies; the Labour Force will be filled by Immigration. Where Ontario is the most desired Province to emigrate to based on the numbers. Which means through natural population growth there would be natural job growth over the next 8 years minus the recession.
      17,600 jobs were added in Ontario in April...
      Excluding the Ipsos polls; the seat count favours a Lib minority
    4. Frankie posted on 06/03/2014 02:29 PM
      @Sonny Wynne signed off on the gas plants cancellation; she's as guilty as McGuinty, or would you prefer to attempt to rewrite history. She also came out with a budget that even Dwight Duncan said would hurt Ontario economically and was the wrong direction, or again would you like to rewrite history?

      Ontario Liberal voters are the stupidest voters in this country unless of course they're on the list that Wynne is bribing.
    5. Sonny posted on 06/03/2014 02:54 PM
      @Frankie Hudak was going to cancel the gas plants after the 2011 election at an even greater cost.
    6. Frankie posted on 06/03/2014 03:49 PM
      @Sonny AFTER THE ELECTION IT WOULD HAVE ONLY COST $ 40 MILLION TO CANCEL THE GAS PLANTS!!!!!!

      PLEASE LEARN TO READ NEWSPAPERS THAT CLEARLY REPORTED THIS.

      You think that by continually lying just like your Liberal buddies we'll believe you?

      I just hope there are enough of us that aren't that stupid on June 12.
  9. Ken posted on 06/03/2014 02:35 PM
    Remember this speech
    "Dalton Dalton Dalton!" Wynne
    http://www.tubechop.com/watch/2968770

    June 12 remember Kathleen Wynne's Liberals = Dalton 2.0
    $1 Billion Lost in Gas Plants
    $1 Billion Lost in E-health
    $35 Million Liberals pay off Caladonia residents and developer who had sued the Ontario Govt for failing to enforce laws.
    1. Sonny posted on 06/03/2014 02:58 PM
      @Ken Unlike Ford, Dalton had the decency to step down and resign his seat. People voted for Ford because of his agenda and got his personal problems... Kelly who is a Liberal; has been a good Deputy Mayor...
      Wynne is not McGuinty
    2. Frankie posted on 06/03/2014 03:45 PM
      @Sonny DECENCY! What are you smoking? McGuinty headed the most corrupt and incompetent Liberal government in Ontario history. Decency would have been to step down 11 years ago.

      Wynne signed off on the gas plants and was a major minister with McGuinty OR are you too ignorant to understand that.

      Ford didn't steal. Ford didn't have the police watch while natives beat a man almost to death. Ford didn't run programs that cost taxpayers over $ 6 Billion due to incompetence. Ford didn't double Ontario's debt.

      I'd go on but there's no point with someone like you. You're beyond help.
    3. HP posted on 06/03/2014 04:07 PM
      @Frankie McGuinty was basically a good and decent man, the tragedy of his administration was that he surrounded himself with advisors that politicized the policy process, exactly what Harper has done at the federal level.

      All decisions were based on getting him reelected, exactly like the American political system, the problem in Ontario was that they went overboard. Ontario voters are not used to the political process of states like New Jersey, Arizona, and Texas that Harper, Hudak, and Ford are introducing into the Canadian system. Robocalls, voter disenfranchment, riding redistribution, ballot box stuffing (remember Bush winning Florida?) are commonplace in America...Canada is now getting used to it. Hudak is trying to split the voters, something Nixon did in America and it almost destroyed their country...Bush just gave them the coup de grace. A vote for Hudak is a vote against the working people of Ontario.
    4. Dean posted on 06/03/2014 04:16 PM
      @HP "A vote for Hudak is a vote against the working people of Ontario."

      Incorrect. A vote for Hudak is a vote against letting the Working Families Coalition run our lives and loot our wallets any longer. A vote for Hudak is a vote against the sort of working people who believe that holding their employers and anyone who depends on the goods or services they provide for ransom is an ethical way to get a raise.

      A vote for Hudak is a vote for a more accountable government, a more affordable government, and a better Ontario.
    5. Frankie posted on 06/03/2014 05:15 PM
      @HP If you truly believe McGuinty to be a good man, please send me your bank account details so I can rob you. In addition to robbing you, I will lie for 10 years, I will tell the OPP to stand aside while a man is almost beaten to death in Caledonia, I will waste over $ 6 Billion of hard-earned tax dollars, I will bribe public union workers with wage increases while lying to the citizens that there are no wage increases, I will double Ontario's debt, and I will send citizens into energy hell with my green policy.

      Some nice guy, and stop blaming others for his "stealing", continual lying and total incompetence. He could have said NO!
    6. Sonny posted on 06/03/2014 06:31 PM
      @Frankie How did Rob turn out? He's Conservative...
    7. Dean posted on 06/03/2014 06:52 PM
      @Sonny I didn't realize Rob Ford was running for leader of the Ontario PCs. Believe it or not, there are actually times when Rob Ford is NOT RELEVANT.
  10. dama posted on 06/03/2014 03:04 PM
    Well,, some might need this debate for them to make up their mind,, but, does one really needs this debate?; for they wil be echoing the same old things and sing the same old song...

    You are either going to vote PC, if you think that Tim is able to create one million jobs, cut 100, 00 jobs through ATTRITION not like WYNNE said FIRED .. if you believed that 100, 000 workers will be instantly fired. you have light ears and easisy swayed by Wynne's propaganda..

    You are going to vote Liberal,, with all their scandals, then you deserve the punishment for the next 4 years.. Union does not care for its members,, the union heads just cared for their OWN pay.. .. and taxes will be higher.. deficit will be higher..

    You are going to vote NDP, if you think they can form the next government.. which I doubt it..

    So you know where my vote is going.....
    1. Dawn posted on 06/03/2014 03:10 PM
      @dama So you are going to vote PC; to cut staff that provide services like license renewal, teaching etc. just so Corporations can get a 30% tax cut?
    2. Jack posted on 06/03/2014 03:34 PM
      @Dawn I can't speak for Dama, but I have already voted PC (advance polls)....

      To cut redundant, unnecessary employees from the public sector as existing employees quit or retire.
      To bring government spending in line with government income (aka living within our means, aka basic math and logical thinking)
      To stimulate the creation of more private sector jobs, which will get people off welfare and allow the government to begin collecting income tax from them.

      Basically, I voted PC because I believe in making the province better. All the Liberals or NDP will do is kill jobs, raise our debt, and destroy our economy.
    3. Dusk posted on 06/03/2014 03:37 PM
      @Dawn You're definitely drinking the liberal water aren't you. Think with your brain using facts not the union and lieberal bs.
    4. Frankie posted on 06/03/2014 03:40 PM
      @Dawn Before 2009 didn't we have services like license renewal, teaching, etc or is that another lie the Liberals are trying to con us into believing?

      Any private business run with the incredible inefficiency of the civil service would be bankrupt. There are great people working in the civil service and there are too many that think they can sit on their fat asses doing nothing all day collecting salaries that the rest of us work hard to pay for.

      But nice try with the Liberal bs. Fortunately some of us are too smart to believe those lies
    5. Dean posted on 06/03/2014 03:43 PM
      @Dawn Refusing to replace 100,000 public servants when they leave the workforce will bring the number of government employees down to a still-bloated 1.1 million. We had that many government employees in 2009, and still had hospitals, schools, police, and as much Service Ontario bureaucracy as you could ever want.

      What we didn't have was a crushing provincial debt, businesses leaving the province in droves, and a would-be Premier who is flat-out promising to kill private sector jobs if elected.

      The only people who benefit from a Liberal government are public sector unions, and people who like the idea of being on welfare. And even then, they only benefit until the money runs out; my guess would be about six months.
    6. dama posted on 06/03/2014 04:44 PM
      @Dawn Tim Hudak used the wrong word - CUT.. it is through ATTRITION,, as in some one who is retired, the position will not be filled.. or someone who is reaching retirement,, Tim might pay him to retire sooner.. then again I dont expect you to believed it.. isnt it?

      Corporation hires you and I, so. a good incentive for corporations to open up offices in Ontario is good in the long run instead of packing in and moving to USA or China..

      and to answer your question about service to renew licenses.. their service sucks big time anyway..
    7. dama posted on 06/03/2014 04:50 PM
      @Jack I am with you on this.. better provincial government.. the public sectors workers had balloon and I just dont understand why Unions are so against PC..

      Tim Hudak speaks the truth.. and why are Ontarian worry off Tim Hudak ??? better PC than Liberal for you know what the Liberal had done to this province in 11 years..

      dont be afraid to vote PC,,and I said PC and not Tim Hudak.. they will not be any worst than the Liberal...

      Voting Liberal is glutton for punishment for another 4 years..
  11. Dawn posted on 06/03/2014 03:41 PM
    Jack & Dusk; the PCs might get a dozen seats in Toronto & the 905! I guess we'll have to see how the leaders' debate goes and how the Newstalk hosts spin for the PCs like Agar...
  12. █Alex█ posted on 06/03/2014 04:36 PM
    █So now we are hearing that Tim Hudaks formula for 'a million jobs' is different than what we were led to believe.█ If a person is employed for 8 years in a company, we think of it as one job.█ But Tim wants us to think of that as 8 jobs.█ Maybe Tim should go and re-do his education instead of cutting it for all the young people.█
    1. Dean posted on 06/03/2014 04:51 PM
      @█Alex█ If a person is employed for the next 8 years with a company, that's a hell of a lot better than they would have done if the Liberals win and scare that company straight out of Ontario.

      The Liberal platform is built on deeper debt, higher unemployment, and economic ruin. The NDP plan is built on deeper debt, higher unemployment, and economic ruin. The PCs are the only party who realize debt is not a good thing, and that private-sector employment is vital to fund all those lovely social programs we take for granted in Canada.
    2. █Alex█ posted on 06/03/2014 05:00 PM
      @Dean █Or does you leader mean a person (who is lucky enough) has eight different part time jobs in eight years?█ Oh the good life! █Walmart has really forced to many of their company propaganda and forced company cheers on him█
    3. dama posted on 06/03/2014 05:00 PM
      @█Alex█ so why are you worry about maths??? media like to blow this out of proportion.. so relax..

      so 125000 new jobs(based on 8 to 1) and not ONE million .... is better than 300,000 manufacturing job that Ontario lost due to Wynne's Green Energy Act. that cost more on hydro bill
    4. Dean posted on 06/03/2014 05:05 PM
      @█Alex█ One of these days, I really hope you tell me where this obsession with part-time jobs comes from. The only source I've seen even imply that during the entire election is you, in between your bizarre pro-welfare rants and out-of-left-field racist remarks.
    5. █Alex█ posted on 06/03/2014 05:12 PM
      @Dean █ "The only source I've seen even imply that during the entire election is you, in between your bizarre pro-welfare rants and out-of-left-field racist remarks"~said Dean to himself as he looked into his mirror.█
    6. thor posted on 06/03/2014 06:37 PM
      @█Alex█ Typical smart ass reply from a union apologist and ass kissing liberal. Alex, come back when you have some content to your message.█ Until then we will your comments under the childrens fiction section -
  13. JohnH_6636 posted on 06/03/2014 04:57 PM
    The day I believe anything the money hungry tax you to death Liberals say about their opposition is the day I fart rainbows. Math was 1,000,000 over 8 years which is 125,000 per year, which is apparently just a bit more than the economy so far is creating which was more like 85,000. That means he's hoping his party's changes to economy make 40,000 more jobs a year, or 320,000 over 8 years. I've already heard some economists suggest that as probable. I didn't hear any economist saying it was a math error. Only the Liberals insist that. The Liberals have already added another Ornge/ E-Health/ Gas Plant scenario in an Ontario Pension Plan, but we already have OPP so they need a new name, and credible operation, which we know they can't do, as you see another $200/month disappear from your wallets.
    I doubt the 100,000 public sector jobs to be axed are all bottom rung workers, nurses, police, and firemen. They will be top VPs without a job description like several at the many incarnations of Hydro, and middle managers between the workers and higher management that merely transport papers between them. That's a good thing. That's what most candidates looking for efficiencies and cutting waste would do. Losing that will not tear down our province, it will remove positions of minimal value to our tax dollars paying them. Hate them both? Then vote for $120 off Hydro with the NDP.
    1. █Alex█ posted on 06/03/2014 05:03 PM
      @JohnH_6636 █ I doubt you hear anything you don't want to hear█
  14. Anil posted on 06/03/2014 08:26 PM
    We as a family sat through the entire debate this evening but are disappointed and confused as to who to vote. It is becoming very difficult to trust the Liberals, PC's plan is for the top 1%, and NDP seems to be taking a safe route. Who will deliver? In this province, we need jobs, roads, bridges, transit and better education. However, we cannot afford to pay more in taxes. Why no one asked about the debt retirement fee that we are being charged past its retirement date? Will the Liberals' new pension plan urn out to be yet another scam a few years from now? We are concerned and confused.
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