Liberals question Hudak's math for a second time

Tory leader stands by claims of savings

The Liberals are claiming there's more proof that the Tory leader Tim Hudak is bad at math.

They say the Progressive Conservatives made a $2.15 billion dollar mistake when the party claimed that's the amount which will be saved if there's a public sector wage freeze.

Minister of Training, Colleges, and Universities Brad Duguid says the figure was counted twice.

He points to the minority Liberal budget which was tabled - and ultimately rejected. Duguid says there was no money for wage increases there, so if the Tories  say they'll save money, the only way to do that is cuts.

Duguid claims job losses would likely be significant and on top of the already 100,000 public sector jobs cuts proposed by the Tories.

However, Hudak stands by the number, using the figure at an event in Ottawa Thursday morning.

Hudak says the Liberals have not proposed an across-the-board wage freeze like the Tories since they have wage increases planned for positions like early childhood educators.

Duguid says they, along with homecare personal support workers, are the two exceptions.

Economists have previously questioned the number of jobs Hudak could create in the Million Jobs Plan.

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  1. Jack posted on 06/05/2014 01:46 PM
    Here's some math to question: In the leader's debate, Wynne acknowledged that government spending is out of control and needs to be reduced. When asked to elaborate, she could not name one program or one job that she would be willing to eliminate in order to make those spending reductions. So where is the reduction going to come from, Wynne?
    1. dama posted on 06/05/2014 02:05 PM
      @Jack and yet, people are still willing to give Wynne and the Liberal a 3rd chance to government ... what is wrong with this picture ..?

      To reduce the debt, services need to be cut and public employees will lose their jobs but at least Tim Hudak is upfront with that..
  2. Dawn posted on 06/05/2014 04:01 PM
    You morons were echoing the Cons about dropping from 1.2 million workers to 1.1 million! The truth is with the Health Workers & Cops off the table; the 100,000 jobs will have some cuts from the remaining 650,000ish
    Plus there was the Count with the sign that read
    1. Jack posted on 06/05/2014 04:16 PM
      @Dawn There's a former Chief Economic Analyst from Statistics Canada who disagrees with you, chum.

      But I suppose it's difficult to find time for research when you're busy screaming about how you'd prefer to watch the province crumble than to see it built up in a way you're not fond of.
    2. Sonny posted on 06/05/2014 07:17 PM
      @Jack So is Cross going to comment on the $2.15 Billion mistake? He mentions Reagan; who was an adherent of Voodoo. There are lies, damn lies and...
  3. Ernie posted on 06/05/2014 04:45 PM
    So if I read this article correctly Duguid is saying that the Liberals have budgeted a public sector wage freeze in the budget they tabled then withdrew.

    In other words, the 8% raise that they promised the OPP (which is why the OPP do not want Hudac) will not be followed through on with the budget they tabled - then withdrew.

    Yet if they were really going to give these raises, then the deficit would actually be higher than forecast.

    Therefore when it comes to math, the Liberals are guilty of the larger sin !
  4. █Alèx█ posted on 06/05/2014 05:39 PM
    █I think it is fair to say that èvèryonè is quèstioning Tims math█Probably his gradè school tèachèrs arè wondèring how hè slippèd through thè cracks█
  5. █Alèx█ posted on 06/05/2014 05:46 PM
    █ You may wondèr how I havè so much timè to bash Tim Whodat and drèss up my commènts with spècial symbols. █ Wondèr no morè, as I introducè you to thè magic of WèLFARè! I havè all thè timè in thè world to do what I want, whèn I want, and I gèt frèè monèy from thè govèrnmènt to do it. █

    █ Undèrstand, I want èvèryonè in Ontario to know this kind of bliss. █ That's why I fight so hard against thè PCs; thèy'rè thè only party with a plan to crèatè morè jobs and shacklè morè of you to thè hèll of èmploymènt and salariès. █ Undèr thè Libèrals or thè NDP, unèmploymènt will hit 100% and wè'll ALL bè ablè to go on wèlfarè. █

    █ èvèryonè gètting frèè monèy, èvèry month, forèvèr, with no consèquèncès or downsidè. █ That's my vision for Ontario, and that's why I hatè Tim Hudak. █
  6. █Alèx█ posted on 06/05/2014 06:54 PM
    █Tïm Hudäk häs dèèp roots ïn thè èxploïtätïon of thè workèrs vïä thè worlds worst rètäïlèr, Wälmärt.█ It ïs too bäd thät busïnèss häs such ä hätè towärds thè workïng fämïlly█
  7. Tracey posted on 06/06/2014 12:21 PM
    The Total Current Debt is 288.1 Billion Dollars....

    The Liberals have raised it from 138.8 Billion to 288.1 Billion while in power..

    The PC's went from 108.8 Billion to 138.8 Billion when last in office...

    Total increase by the PC's last time around 30 B$..
    And the Liberals 147.2 B$.....

    We can't allow this to continue....

    After I read the last Liberal Budget and project past increases, I estimate that if this budget is allowed to be introduced and the policies fully implemented, next years debt will increase by over 51 BILLION.

    Wynne has managed to increase our debt more in one year than the entire time that the PC's where in power by 170%.

    The NDP didn't even manage to do that.

    My numbers can all be easily verified, all you have to do is go to the Ontario Government website and look up the past Budgets.

    Oh, I forgot that maybe that is asking too much from you... So here they are.

    1987 1988 34 PC
    1988 1989 35.4 PC
    1989 1990 35.4 PC
    1990 1991 49.4 PC
    1991 1992 61.8 NDP
    1992 1993 80.6 NDP
    1993 1994 90.7 NDP
    1994 1995 101.9 NDP
    1995 1996 108.8 NDP
    1996 1997 108.8 PC
    1997 1998 112.7 PC
    1998 1999 114.7 PC
    1999 2000 134.4 PC
    2000 2001 132.5 PC
    2001 2002 132.1 PC
    2002 2003 132.6 PC
    2003 2004 138.8 PC
    2004 2005 140.9 LIB
    2005 2006 152.7 LIB
    2006 2007 153.7 LIB
    2007 2008 156.6 LIB
    2008 2009 169.6 LIB
    2009 2010 193.6 LIB
    2010 2011 214.5 LIB
    2011 2012 236.6 LIB
    2012 2013 252.1 LIB
    2013 2014 288.1 LIB

    I know that some people can be easily influenced by the scare tactics used by lobby groups and by your union leaders, but I also know that people are generally smart enough to figure things out for themselves if TRUTHFULL information is presented to them.

    So, why haven't any of the party leaders presented these numbers, I believe that the simple answer is that none of them want you to know exactly how dire the financial situation is right now. Look at the public revolt that has recently occurred in some of the European Countries when the debt became unmanageable. People took to the streets and governments were overthrown. That is not something that any political leader wants to have happen.

    I am heavily disappointed that the Liberal Government has gone from a Political Party that once strived for the well being of the people in this Province to a Party who's number one priority is to enlarge itself at any cost.

    And why, vast amounts of money are involved here. Every added Vote means more money for them. If you increase the number of government employees by say 500K people, and you get an expected loyally vote return of 75%, that means you get an 375K votes.

    So, why are all of the union leaders so upset... basically the same reason...Money in their pockets.

    Unions are just like the big businesses that they so vocally abuse, except that they themselves are far far worst. They want more of YOUR money. If your wages are frozen for a short period of time, they have 0 financial growth. It is not about protecting you or your jobs, its about their profit margin.

    Please people, give this election some serious thought.

    It is us and our children that are on the hook for this $288 Billion Dollars, not the leaders of the Political Parties, not the Leaders of your Unions, it is US !!!
    1. Frankie posted on 06/06/2014 01:18 PM
      @Tracey Thank you for providing these important facts. Too bad it rings hollow with Liberal voters who are either government workers or too ignorant to understand the dangerous path the Liberals are sending us down.

      If the Liberals get in we can probably watch them triple the civil service to the point that your 75% loyalty will guarantee them a majority in perpetuity, and bankruptcy.
  8. Jack posted on 06/06/2014 01:27 PM
    It's important that public sector union members understand that the Liberal policies which allow them to keep inflating their salaries and benefits packages in exchange for votes are merely an elaborate way of shooting themselves in the foot.

    That money has to come from somewhere, and the only sources of income the government has are taxes and fees. The more taxes and fees businesses are forced to pay, the smaller their profit margins; if they can make a better profit elsewhere, they'll leave and take their jobs with them. Now you've lost 100% of the taxes those businesses were paying, and 100% of the income tax you were collecting from their employees. This all means a drastic reduction of available money for public sector salaries, pensions, and benefits.

    Union members, answer me this: When the Liberals continue to force businesses to leave Ontario and move elsewhere, as they have been for years, where do you think your money is going to come from?
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