Toronto Star reports Rob Ford was abusive while in rehab

The paper claims it spoke to fellow patients and staffers of GreeneStone Healthcare where mayor Ford spent two months in rehab

According to a report from the Toronto Star, Rob Ford's stay at rehab wasn't an easy time for him and apparently, he affected the stay of other patients.

The Star claims the mayor was verbally abusive and was kicked out of his group therapy program at GreeneStone.

The paper claims the allegations come from people who have knowledge about his 2-month stay at the facility in Muskoka. More specifically, the paper says they spoke to a fellow patient and a staffer who requested to remain anonymous to protect the confidentiality of the treatment facility.

One source alleges that Ford broke things and got into fights with other residents, adding that some residents felt intimidated by him. Management was also allegedly concerned that the mayor was still drinking and using drugs while there.

The report states that police were called to GreeneStone to deal with an incident while Rob Ford was there, but it's not known if Ford was involved in that particular incident.

In an email interview with The Star, the president of GreeneStone Healthcare and part owner Shawn Leon said he would not discuss Rob Ford's stay there.

The paper says Ford's office did not respond to their request for comment.

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  1. danR posted on 07/09/2014 01:50 AM
    What will happen to those poor witnesses, I wonder? They came in to be helped and got abused, and now they may need bodyguards.
  2. Rob Ford does posted on 07/09/2014 05:47 AM
    Rob Ford does not deserve to be mayor of even a trailer park.
  3. We never did posted on 07/09/2014 06:11 AM
    We never did hear why he lent his vehicle to the drunk driving girl and why his vehicle was parked in the wooded area in the night not far from the rehab place.

    You will never get straight answers from Rob Ford or Doug Ford.
  4. Rob Ford's Mother posted on 07/09/2014 07:22 AM
    My little Robbie is being picked on again and so is Douggie.
    We sent Robbie to Greenestone to lose some weight.
    You can see him now and he did !!.

    Douggie had his SUV smashed by somebody. He says he thinks it might be one of those people from the group home he talked about once.

    All this other stuff about Robbie's anger, breaking things and abuse of other people in there is just not true. In fact he was nice to people. He let that woman patient come to his room for "sharing" a lot ... why, he even lent her his Escalade after they went into the woods for a snack one night (after all... he couldn't go home where there is "plenty to eat").

    That darn Toronto Star has to stop digging into my wonderful sons' lives and making things up about Robbie again.

    I hope Karl Burgin sees this and will straighten out the Star by writing one of his big long crazy letters. Karl is always right and he can rant better than I can.
  5. CatWhispurrer posted on 07/09/2014 07:35 AM
    The red Toronto Star will do anything to sell papers, even invent "stories" to make that happen. What a filthy rag it has become.
    1. DanR posted on 07/09/2014 08:50 AM
      @CatWhispurrer Yeah, just like they invented that fake video story. And the other video story, and that another video story. And Ford never admitted to anything. All lies, every single one, and are you perfect?

      The Star probably invented crack-pipes as well.
    2. Jim posted on 07/09/2014 09:06 AM
      @DanR Then they should provide actual evidence instead of unprovable allegations by unnamed sources.
    3. mike posted on 07/09/2014 09:30 AM
      @CatWhispurrer the star has been bang on everything! exposing this family for what they are. alcohol drug fuelled and dysfunctional.
    4. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 09:34 AM
      @DanR The point is DANR, the media has a standard they are supposed to adhere to. I really don't expect you to understand given the seething hate you have for the Fords.

      But regardless of who is in the public light, the same media ethics should apply for everyone. I have a high disdain for Wynne (every time I see her on tv I change the channel)- but I wouldn't like for this to be her fate either.
    5. mike posted on 07/09/2014 09:34 AM
      @Jim they are named! to the paper! they know all the names and what roles they had.
      they're confidential sources big difference. like other media outlets use. plus if the star is reporting it you know you can bet the mortgage it's all true
  6. Jim posted on 07/09/2014 07:53 AM
    I'd like to try something the Toronto Star just can't seem to do, be objective. First, using unnamed sources all the time seems to be a pretty convenient to avoid having their information verified. Second, staff members in such facilities generally have to sign confidentiality waivers. The fact one of these "sources" is supposedly a staff member speaks volumes about his or her integrity right off the start. Third, if anyone thinks Rob Ford is the first rehab patient to have issues like this they are living in a dream world. Fourth, why isn't the Star so diligently digging into Olivia Chow's background? Why did they never have reporters skulking around David Miller's house?

    It's time for the Star to put up or shut up. Either produce actual and verifiable evidence of misdeeds or stop running such questionable gossip. Otherwise it should rebrand itself as Toronto's version of The National Enquirer.
    1. Brian posted on 07/09/2014 08:50 AM
      @Jim well Jim you failed at being objective it seems that you are concern with why the Star is not investigating Oliva Chow or David Miller -

      Just in case you did not notice the Star make some allegations about a video a year ago using unnamed sources I wonder if you called them out then too - and just in case you did not notice nobody in the Ford camp is calling the Star liars this time
    2. Jim posted on 07/09/2014 09:07 AM
      @Brian The word of one proven liar and an addict aren't exactly a solid foundation.
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 09:37 AM
      @Brian In your twisted logic, whatever media coverage that is good for the Fords, should in fact be good for Tory and Chow too.

      The Star should not be using its weight to bully a politician out of politics- as is what's happening here.
      Jim is right, as what I've been saying the entire time too. They are supposed to be objective. They are supposed to get their story straight before publishing. But also, they are supposed to be governed by ethics too. Getting the scoop from the rehab should not part of the coverage- that is a new low.
    4. Remove Rob Ford posted on 07/09/2014 08:02 PM
      @Jim The Star has put up many times in the past. They uncovered the original crack-smoking video that ignited this fiasco. Olivia Chow doesn't smoke crack or consort with criminals. She doesn't drive drunk or stagger around drunk in public. She isn't vulgar. She doesn't offer her spouse up for free sex to strangers. She's not immature or reckless. Rob Fraud is all of those things. If you vote fior him, you're an idiot.
  7. Reality Check posted on 07/09/2014 08:05 AM
    Rob Ford started this whole mess as usual.
    When he was in rehab he should have stopped making impromptu public appearances or making phone calls to the media (Joe Wormington).

    When he got out he shouldn't have re-opened this can of worms by talking about rehab with Jerry Agar.

    Once again Ford makes the noise and then hopes people will feel sorry for him.

    Sorry, Mr. pretend mayor, it AIN'T going to happen.
    You're toast - no matter how much you want to stay in self-denial about your chances.

    Please resign and save yourself a lot of embarrassment on October 27th.
  8. star posted on 07/09/2014 08:39 AM
    why would he act up at rehab when he entered voluntarily...
    these allegations seem calculated and targeted it looks really fake
    Star (entertainment rag) already loves to pick on ford , they had more success in getting him out of office when they just shut their trap
    1. deepfish posted on 07/09/2014 09:45 AM
      @star Why would he make disgusting racist sexist and homophobic comments? Why would he get publicly inebriated repeatedly? Why would he urinate in public? Drive drunk? Assault his friends? Associate with thugs and dealers? Why would he smoke crack? Why would he put a cushy job at stake?
      He's an addict and clearly also a psychotic.
      The real question is - why would someone who supports such a train wreck not ever learn to keep their own trap shut?
  9. danR posted on 07/09/2014 08:58 AM
    If some commenters would like to actually read the original full Star story, they'd see that Greenstone's statement on Ford's conduct, while formally preserving privacy privilege, slipped in a hint so big that even a Ford Nation dimbulb could drive an Escalade through it. To paraphrase briefly:

    Where group activity is deemed unsatisfactory for a patient, we arrange for more private one-on-one counselling.

    Now, Greenstone had no reason whatever to slip in that policy nuance. Why would they mention it at all if it wasn't pertinent to the subject the Star was enquiring about?
  10. arthur posted on 07/09/2014 09:23 AM
    is anyone surprised? probably more will dribble out that he was continuing to use and the relationship with that woman that smells of lots more sht we don't know.
    Donovan from the Star wrote the article so you know it's money in the bank
  11. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 09:31 AM
    Jim and CatWhispurrer got it right...though I'm not surprised. I'm not even going to rant against the media here- the facts already speaks for themselves.
    I have heard that the Star did have this ready to go, and were strategic in releasing this- only because Ford gained sympathy after the shirtless horde embarrassment yesterday. That protest backfired, and so will this story.

    As for the troll that keeps commenting under every ID in the world except his own- sit down, shut up, and watch the magic. Because all the attacks on Ford will be the undoing of the left. And the next time you or members of your family donny p(utz) decide to go on a tirade without their clothes, I will be sure to call the guys in white coats to pick them up, and escort them to the nearest mental facility.
    1. Rob Ford's Mother posted on 07/09/2014 09:45 AM
      @Karl Burgin Thanks for chiming in, Karl - even though it wasn't your usual 100,000 word rant.

      Rob, Doug and I are very happy to see that you're still in our "nation".
      The nation is getting smaller really fast and we need a guy from another city to help out with our whining and harping and victim posing.

      Renata and I are pleased that you are still fooled by us.

      Let me know how much back rent you owe so Rob can slide you some petty cash from the office. You deserve it for all your help.
  12. don was right posted on 07/09/2014 10:01 AM
    star and reporters should be charged with cyber bullying. How is this different than posting photos of Reteah Parsons? Disgusting
    1. Peter posted on 07/09/2014 10:08 AM
      @don was right .

      I agree with you Don was Right.

      I believe that intelligent people can see through the antics of the Star.
      Only gullible people are affected, and that is yet another way the Star is bullying.

    2. Laura posted on 07/09/2014 10:22 AM
      @don was right Disgusting somes it up. It is appalling to me that these same people (shirtless hecklers, and many in the media) who claim to be the champions for the mentally ill and downtrodden are the same people who find nothing wrong with bullying a person trying to seek help for his addictions. Let the man deal with his problems and let the electorate decide who will be mayor, I am growing weary of the media trying to engineer the political process to decide who will represent us, let the people decide at the ballot box. This can only be accomplished by allowing all of the candidates to present their platforms and create meaningful discussion and debate. These shirtless bours are undermining the political process and meaningful debate.
    3. Peter posted on 07/09/2014 10:33 AM
      @Laura .
      Thank you Laura.

      Yes, I agree with you.
      I think Jerry Agar would also agree, as he mentioned yesterday that
      the shirtless were out of order being a nuisance by disturbing and ending the Mayors speech.

    4. arthur posted on 07/09/2014 10:47 AM
      @don was right you some kind of right wing conservative idiot?
      what an awful comparison.
      the Fords have played this city for fools for far too long.
      they deserve no sympathy or compassion but we deserve the truth
    5. Laura posted on 07/09/2014 10:59 AM
      @arthur No Arthur, I am not an idiot, just a citizen looking for meaningful dialog in an important issue, your response and name calling do nothing to contribute to the issues at hand.
    6. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 12:05 PM
      @arthur Where the heck was this outrage when the Liberals lost $1 billion- the latest in the long list of scandals?
      Where was Shirtless Joe?
      Where were the shirtless horde?
      Where were the signs and protesters call for the Liberals to resign?
      Where is the call for us to get the truth from our Provincial Liberals?!?!?!

      We didn't get any of that, but instead a resounding approval from voters that raping us for money everyday is A-OK. And yet we're outraged over Ford because he has issues with his personal life, but he's had good accomplishments in office?

      Yeah, I would rather be a conservative idiot, than a damned Liberal hypocrite.
  13. Peter posted on 07/09/2014 10:04 AM

    I agree with Karl.

    These days I hardly accept any Star story as being 100% truthful. They have a way of twisting trivial facts to make it sound major and negative.

    In reality Greenstone ReHab is in default for disclosing patient informations. Greenstone is the bad guy here.

    Now even when I read the Wheels section or Sports section in The Star, I can see
    hints of them twisting facts and projecting a negative view of anything they want.

    I am sure that the Star Karma has is not good.

    Thank you Newstalk1010

    1. mike posted on 07/09/2014 10:50 AM
      @Peter you probably just hate it that the star has been bang on with everything from day one. must get to you doesn't it.
      good! next time don't be a blind conservative goof you goof!
  14. frank posted on 07/09/2014 11:03 AM
    Does the media have any dignity or professionalism at all? Apparently not.
    1. Remove Rob Ford posted on 07/09/2014 11:10 AM
      @frank Does Rob Ford?
    2. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 11:22 AM
  15. Remove Rob Ford posted on 07/09/2014 11:09 AM
    Does this surprise anyone? When he was expelled from group therapy because of his bullying behaviour, he spent most of the day in his private cabin, watching TV.
  16. Suz58 posted on 07/09/2014 11:26 AM
    Ok, The Star may be a "rag" for every time they post something negative about The Fords. However, respect is something that is earned and the Fords have not earned one ounce. I am the last one to get tied up in rumours and gossip, with that being said, over the years, some part of those rumours and gossip tend to be true.
    I don't believe for one second that Ford went into rehab on his own. I think there was a push by the family, a political stunt and fear escape to cover up or hide from something yet to come. The Ford family made the rules here and everyone else, including The Sun is just following suit. They are in the business to sell papers, do you think for one minute that if these things were not true, there would be lawsuits? Rob is playing the "victim" right now, hoping he will be re-elected on pity.
    It is clear that the Fords caused every bit of turmoil they are having to deal with now. Sure, you could say that...oh, Rob is a saint, he gives up his salary...a couple of questions for that...with the kind of money they have, do you think it hurt? Did he deserve or work for that salary?

    I find it appalling that whoever mentioned this being bullying the same as the Parsons case! How can anyone compare the two?

    It is obvious that the media and reporters are "triggers" for Rob Ford. Why do you think he is not answering questions from them? He knows he cannot answer with the truth or to the point.

    This whole rehab "stint" was all planned. A diversion from the real life behind the Mayor of Toronto. If he really cared about his and Toronto's well-being, not to mention his Family, his children, he would step down, take four years to get well, learn how to behave appropriately in public, take a speaking course and run again.
    1. Peter posted on 07/09/2014 11:36 AM
      @Suz58 .
      Thank you for your comment Suz58.

      People are proud of Mayor Ford for not answering media questions. The questions they ask are the lousiest questions.

      I should say that Mayor Ford has very strong support for his election campaign, and rightly so. Please don't be gullible and swayed by some negative comments by the gullible people here in this forum.

      Thank you NewsTalk1010


    2. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 11:42 AM
      @Suz58 Sorry SUZ58- but regardless of whether in your opinion Ford deserves respect or not, there is an understanding of confidentiality that is in jeopardy here- not to mention the legal ramifications.
      And the media (Toronto Star) knows that they are "triggers" for Rob Ford- so why amp it up, just to see him fail, or do everything in your power to watch him relapse?

      I cannot recount the amount of times I've heard Rob Ford being the embarrassment for Toronto. As you can clearly see, Rob Ford is not causing the embarrassment- the media is. In what twisted reality did the Toronto Star think it ok to do this?
      Did it even cross their minds that other people who are afflicted will now have second thoughts about going to rehab after this?

      This mad pursuit to oust Rob Ford by any means necessary are creating very unhealthy precedents, and really bad examples.
      You have the media going to rehab centres trying to get the scoop on high-profile people? What do you think going forward is going to happen when people who need to go will be reluctant, because of what may be exposed afterward?
      Shirtless hordes drowning out politicians and getting within an arm-length? As much as we would like to argue "democracy in action", it is also a matter of security as well. This would never be the case with McQuinty, Wynne, Harper, Trudeau, Horwath, or any other high-profile politician. Again, another double-standard.

      The whole rehab thing was not planned. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force him to drink. Mark Towhey begged the mayor to go- he ended up losing his job for it, simply because the mayor was not ready. If anything, it would be much more beneficial if you had someone who had no other choice but to go to rehab, rather than forcing one to go on your timing. Things don't work that way.

      But as to this latest excuse for a story, this is a new low- even for the Toronto Star. I sure hope you are comfortable with the precedents and the fall-out from this- all in the mad drive to oust one man from being mayor.
    3. Suz58 posted on 07/09/2014 01:02 PM
      @Karl Burgin No reason to apologize we agreed to disagree many moons ago, but we do it respectfully.

      "Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally—either directly or indirectly through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, religious, cultural, ethnic and racial equality, justice." Wikipedia

      Do you think that Ford would have won the last election for Mayor if his campaign read...I am Rob Ford, I when I become Mayor, I will stop the gravy train, in my private time I smoke pot and crack recreationally, have sex with other women in front of my wife, drive while under the influence. Will use City Hall for after hour get togethers and leave inebriated, will not attend or support the pride parade and the gay community and will use sexist and racial comments that will offend other members of our community. I believe in transparency, but not for myself. Yes, I am sure all the candidates have skeletons in their closets but I also have no doubt that they are not as big or scary as Rob Ford's and his Family's.
      Do you really think he would have been elected?

      Yes Karl, you can lead a horse to water and I agree cannot make him drink and that is why i can see him being disruptive in rehab, I do believe it was not his choice to go. Whether it was his lawyer or mother. If the Stars comments are that far out to lunch, Rob has every right and all the money he needs to fight them. If they posted something about me which was false I would go after them and I am a nobody.

      I don't think much of what Ford does is all up to him or his decisions. I still maintain that, when Ford was elected, the whole family was elected and Rob is the fall boy.

      As far as rehab not being planned, how many celebs go into rehab and have the liberty of roaming around town, taking selfies, posing with folks in the community and lending his vehicle out to a girl that left her watch in his room and was only too happy to discuss it? If he gets any votes at all, they will be sympathy votes and I know that would not be the type of Mayor I would want.
    4. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 01:37 PM
      @Suz58 "Yes, I am sure all the candidates have skeletons in their closets but I also have no doubt that they are not as big or scary as Rob Ford's and his"
      Actually, if I were a betting man, I would actually put some money down here. Remember, there were other counsellors who were charged with drinking and driving? Wouldn't that then count as a smoking gun, and the Star investigate those leads? I'm sure if Ford was charged with drinking and driving, that would have been the media's first priority.

      As for "leading the horse to water but cannot force to drink" thing, it may not have been his choice, but at least he was willing to listen to advice this time. As to Rob taking the Star to court, I've heard over and over by experts that it would be a 'David vs. Goliath' scenario- as that Ford just wouldn't have the resources to finance, and go the depth required to win such a case.
      But in respect to that, Rob Ford didn't become mayor just to fight off lawsuits left, right and center. From what I've heard, Ford won again the suit against the restaurant owner suing Ford for libel. Rob Ford I think has spent more time fighting off lawsuits than actually performing duties as mayor- again because of this mad drive to oust him by any means necessary.

      What we can probably agree on is that Ford may win on sympathy votes- if the ferocity of the attacks keep coming on. Ford still has a lot to prove in terms of making good personal judgement- I will give you that one.
      But if we don't want Ford to win on sympathy votes, stop attacking him like this, and let this be a mayor's race based on skill and potential.
    5. Suz58 posted on 07/09/2014 04:15 PM
      @Peter Peter, people are proud of Ford not answering questions because of the trash that comes out of his mouth. I am neither gullible or swayed by negative or positive comments on here or anywhere else. If the people of Toronto want to give him pity votes and have him for Mayor another four years, they will see the proof for themselves. Just once I would like to hear an intelligent answer come out of his mouth. It is the people that believe in Ford that are gullible.
      Causing a disturbance in rehab is totally Rob Ford behaviour, if he gets voted in again, I feel sorry for the people who voted against him and have to endure another wild ride.
  17. tanjo posted on 07/09/2014 11:38 AM
    This is a fascinating exercise in "How to read the paper". I believe the facts in the star story 100%. I also see it as a good news story for Rob Ford.

    Go back to Warmington's articles on how "well" Ford was doing and how it is all happiness and sunshine. NOT the picture we would expect from Rob Ford and his first attempt at a rehab hospital. Speculation was that it was really a country club, or that he wasn't there at all.

    The Star story, although they frame it as Rob being abusive and whatever, actually describes what we would expect from a long-time substance abuser finally receiving treatment. You expect denial. You expect anger and defensiveness. You expect them to find ways around the system.

    It is in fact a good news story that is stil unfolding.
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 11:51 AM
      @tanjo Hmmm...interesting that you somehow were able to find a silver lining out of this.
      But the issue remains- regardless of whoever it is. the Toronto Star should not have been able to gain information from people at Greenstone, and splash it all over their headlines.
      People who might have been thinking of going to rehab, and bear all in the process are probably having second thoughts now. If Rob Ford knew that this may have been the outcome, how much more difficult would it have been to sign him in for rehab to begin with.

      The crux of the matter is that you have to be respectful for the patients in the facility. Rob Ford was a patient- and deserves the same amount of rights as the others who reside there.

      Again, its nice TANJO that you were able to find an upside to the whole thing- but again, the lines being crossed just to destroy Rob Ford- who is wanting to go into politics with the possibility of facing this type of scrutiny?
    2. Brian posted on 07/09/2014 12:40 PM
      @Karl Burgin I think the scrutiny is justify - if it was not for it we would not know that we are being led by a crack smoking alcoholic - I think the Star should be commended for the public service that they did
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 12:55 PM
      @Brian "I think the Star should be commended for the public service that they did"
      Yes the Toronto Star deserves a medal- where pigs fly, and we have purple skies, pink grass, and it rains gum drops all around. I would love to live in that world too BRIAN- we all would.
    4. Brian posted on 07/09/2014 01:04 PM
      @Karl Burgin Karl - Do you think the best we can have for a mayor is a Crack Smoking Alcoholic?
    5. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 01:19 PM
      @Brian If he/she performs better than Lastman or Miller- where we have seen tax dollars go to ridiculous projects, and vital upgrades that keep being kicked down the road- then yes, if that is the hand we've been dealt.

      In all seriousness BRIAN, I would rather not have Ford do drugs and binge drink. But if the alternative is someone who has an uber-clean personal life, but wastes money, then talk out of both sides of his mouth (i'm talking about Miller here), then unfortunately a crack smoking alcoholic will have to do.

      The big problem I have is that all these people around Ford, who supposed want the best for the mayor, seem to do all they can to trigger another episode out of him. That is not constructive.
      Toronto has already had its chance with a "clean" mayor- his name was David Miller. But despite his clean life, look at the mess, and the wasted millions he has left Toronto.
      Rob Ford may not have the cleanest life, but his heart is Toronto- and he has a genuine passion for it. He could have stayed with his Deco Label company and made money from that. But he didn't. He is willing to go through all this personal hell, and deal with an obnoxious city council.
      You can say what you want about the man, even if you don't agree with him- but you cannot deny the passion.
    6. tanjo posted on 07/09/2014 01:27 PM
      @Karl Burgin I do not doubt his passion or his heart, just his ability to perform the duties of mayor.

      He belongs on city council ... as a Ward Councillor. This is where he can do what he does best.

      A mayor with balls would also put him on the Budget Committee.
    7. Brian posted on 07/09/2014 01:36 PM
      @Karl Burgin Karl lets be real here Mr. Ford is a liar - I am not comparing him to any other mayor or anyone else - a person with his sickness as he admit is not mayor material - what does it says about you if you are comfortable knowing that your mayor cannot control his life - My question to you is do you use crack?
    8. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 01:42 PM
      @Brian 1.>You have to have comparisons- that is the only way you can evaluate how well one does. In this instance, comparing Ford to his predecessors tells me that in terms of him being in office, he performs better than Lastman or Miller
      2.>A person with his "sickness" has fought off numerous court battles, saved the city millions (as backed up by Toronto's CFO), and enacted policies that have benefited the city. Better than Lastman or Miller on their best day.
      3.>He is trying to take control of his life. I do take issue the media, and shirtless idiots making it harder than necessary for him to do so.
      4.>No I don't use crack. But from the sounds of it, it seems like you might.
    9. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 01:45 PM
      @tanjo Up until late last year before his partial meltdown, he has been able to perform his duties as mayor.

      I question city council to properly perform their duties though.
    10. Brian posted on 07/09/2014 03:41 PM
      @Karl Burgin Karl the problem with you is you think that using crack is a minor thing -

      I am not hearing you saying that using crack is a crime,
      I am not hearing you saying that drinking and drive is a crime
      Peeing in the park is a crime
      Drinking in the park is a crime

      and just so you understand Rob is not only sick he is also a criminal
    11. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 03:51 PM
      @Brian 1.>I wouldn't really consider crack a minor thing. But then again, usually lawyers, judges, CEOs and other politicians are involved in the same thing. Ford himself said that "you wouldn't believe the type of people who are involved", but secretly hide it.
      But I guess if the Star snooped in other people's closets, instead of solely in Ford's closet, you'd probably get a better idea.
      2.>Drinking and driving is a crime. The problem though- Ford was never charged with it. Paul Ainsle and Anna Bailou, both city councillors, were caught doing so. But again, you don't see the Toronto Star snooping around in their closets
      3.>If peeing in the park was a crime, and the police saw it, then why not move in and charge the mayor
      4.>Concerning drinking in a park, again, if the police was watching this, why just stand by?

      If Ford was a criminal, why hasn't he been charged. The OPP actually oversaw the investigation by Toronto police, and found no merit to go after Ford. Yet the Toronto police now doesn't want to take the advice of the OPP- guess they didn't like that answer.
    12. tanjo posted on 07/10/2014 09:32 AM
      @Karl Burgin I have a theory, and this is supported by a few things:

      - the mayor's Steak Queen Rant
      - transcripts that mention Lisi tipped Ford off that he was being followed
      - the number, and nature of Ford's meetings with Lisi, and the lack of evidence produced
      - the way the mayor loves to "bait" people in council

      I am thinking that Ford, probably after meeting Lisi a few times about his cell phone, was tipped off by Lisi that he was being watched. Ford decides to make a game of it and starts meeting Lisi in various locations. Not doing anything, just meeting.

      He may be innocent, but he sure didn't behave like an innocent man.

      The police, thinking something bigger is going on, ignore the minor offences, thinking they are accumulating evidence towards a big bust. One that never materializes.

      So here are the police, looking like they have wasted all that time and money for pretty much nothing. There may not be anything to charge him with, but he sure hasn't made any friends on the police force.
    13. Karl Burgin posted on 07/10/2014 10:17 AM
      @tanjo Hmmmm....not a bad theory at all.
      As to why Ford wanted to make a game out of it all might be the ultimate question. Although I have a gut feeling it may be tied to the disagreement over the police budget- and maybe to prove the Toronto police wasn't worth the salt. But again, while still in the realm of a possibility, still remains a far-fetched premise.

      And you are absolutely right about the police ignoring the minor offences, hoping to catch whatever big fish there might be- which in the end may not be anything at all. But all this goes to show, that the Toronto police should not have involved themselves in this matter. As soon as they realized that their boss might be somehow implicated with their investigation with Sandro Lisi, they should have bumped this up to the OPP- and let them handle the matter.

      And you are right about not making any friends on the police force. As evidence by the shirtless horde incident on Eglinton- with the police not necessarily offering to be at Ford's side.
      Some sort of resolution has to be made between Ford and the police- and frankly that has to start with Chief Blair, or whoever his replacement might be.

      People are at their most vulnerable when they are drunk. And while they do spout stupidness when inebriated, there are also very hard truths mixed in there as well.
      You're take on the Steak Queen incident does lean itself more towards reality than the other stuff that Rob Ford has been caught saying when drunk. The thing that people have to realize is that they have to compare with his actions in reality, to determine what Ford truly believes versus what he is being egged on to say while drunk.
      For instance, I do not believe Rob Ford is racist- as many would like to believe. He hangs around a lot of minorities. Heck, he even dearly loved his Don Bosco Eagles that consisted of mainly black people.
      I do believe he is uncomfortable around LBGTQ, and anything Pride related- but don't believe he is hateful towards that segment of society. Also, about the Karen Stinsk comment, he was egged on to say something about her while drunk- but again, that is probably not how he truly feels.
      The thing with Ford, and what people have trouble with, is separating fact from fiction. Which is why I was strongly for Ford answering questions in a controlled environment (i.e. court of law if need be, or in a similar environment). When the drive is "let's persecute the mayor in the court of public opinion", it creates more harm than good- as evidenced by the worldwide sensation.

      But looking at this situation along your train-of-thought TANJO is a good place to properly start in untangling this entire situation.
    14. Karl Burgin posted on 07/10/2014 10:19 AM
      @tanjo ....and I do apologize for the essay ;p
    15. tanjo posted on 07/10/2014 11:16 AM
      @Karl Burgin I would expect nothing less from you Karl. :) Welcome back from vacation!
  18. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 12:14 PM
  19. carl posted on 07/09/2014 12:26 PM
    I am still waiting to meet an actual Rob Ford supporter, to see what they look like.
    Do they have eyes to see these ridiculous spectacles, ears for hearing idiotic lies, a nose for something stinky?
    Do they walk on two legs and have opposable thumbs?

    I just look forward to some day in the future when this whole Ford mess will be some odd amusement from the past that we look at and say, that was crazy, "what were we all thinking. We must have been drinking....and smoking crack, of course"
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 12:53 PM
      @carl You mean as opposed to the Liberal supporter ushering Wynne in for the next four years- after everything the Liberals have put this province through over the last decade....

      A guy lying about his personal life is understandable. He wasn't voted so that his personal life would be picked apart. But I do care being lied to if a politicians flushes billions of tax dollars down the toilet- and the gets re-elected to flush more of my money.

      Between the two, I choose Rob Ford.
    2. Ron posted on 07/09/2014 01:23 PM
      @Karl Burgin The voters severely goofed by returning Wynn and her lieberals. I doubt they'll make the same stupid mistake with Ford.
  20. Ron posted on 07/09/2014 01:18 PM
    Initially I was critical and sceptical of the Star's pursuit of Ford and their allegations. However, now in retrospect, given the accuracy of the Star's revelations which otherwise might not have disclosed the train wreck. So my money's on the Star this time.
  21. The Real Truth posted on 07/09/2014 01:27 PM
    Google "delusional" and you'll see a photo of Karl Burgin in his glory - in the basement swapping sound cards in an old desktop computer while dressed in his "tidy whities" and drinking a Fresca
  22. GayForFord posted on 07/09/2014 01:56 PM
    I find it very disconcerting and disingenuous of Donovan stating the reason the premise for writing this story is because Mayor Ford stated everything is fine; this is manipulation at its best. First, Mayor Ford never said everything is fine on the contrary Mayor Ford has stated he will have this disease for the rest of his life and requires a sobriety coach proves Mayor understands the gravity of the situation and not in a state of joy. Therefore, Donavan , The Star creating a narrative or cover based on a lie to sell newspapers is just trashy no different than dmz. I wonder if they paid these so called sources and secondly the difference between this and the crack video we know Ford was at Rehab. Secondly Donavan stated disruptive patients are thrown out if that is the case Mayor Ford could have not have been that disruptive because he was not thrown out. How someone behaves in rehab good or bad is a process and is between the doctors and the patient. Star's goal here is pure circulation.
    1. Art posted on 07/09/2014 02:41 PM
      @GayForFord you forgot one tiny thing. a couple actually. these confidential sources contacted the Star not the other way around as reported by Donovan this morning. so they thought the truth should be told but they didn't want their names out. also it was reported indeed he was kicked out of group therapy and held one on ones after. if Ford himself wants to use this and portray this as a disease he was born with as an excuse for most of his troubles as he did with the few interviews and use it as an advantage in his head then he has to wear it. he has to wear all the controversy.
      i know some hate it when their boy keeps on effing up. blame the boy not the truth
    2. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 03:56 PM
      @Art They contacted the Star because they wanted to blackmail the mayor. The mayor is to blame for putting himself in that position. The Star is to blame for falling for such a ploy.
      As for this latest Star special as to Ford's conduct at Greenstone, that is off limits. That is the truth.
  23. dama posted on 07/09/2014 02:34 PM
    Unknown sources??? typical ...

    No read from me..
    1. sam posted on 07/09/2014 02:43 PM
      @dama confidential sources. big difference. the star knows them. these people talking contacted the press not the other way around
    2. Karl Burgin posted on 07/09/2014 03:59 PM
      @sam HA!
      How ironic that the Star relies on confidentiality. The same confidentiality that the patients at Greenstone (including Ford) rely on when being a resident of that facility.

      And it doesn't matter who contacted who. The Star is a national news media. Its time they got their crap together, or stop considering themselves as a legitimate news media.
    3. tanjo posted on 07/10/2014 10:27 AM
      @Karl Burgin Well, now the Sun has come out with an interview with McRobb who talks about her stay at GreeneStone with Ford.

      Before you tell me they are just responding to the Star article, keep in mind the Star article was a response to Ford himself commenting on his life at GreeneStoned in ... the Sun.

      I not a fan of how this affects the other patients, but Ford doesn't seem to respect any rules himself, so I am not suprised that when he is involved, all the rules fly out the window. He is the lead pilot
    4. dama posted on 07/11/2014 03:54 PM
      @tanjo With all that is going on with Rob Ford since his return, I have to agree with Rob Ford not answering any media question; for his answer will not be the correct one that the media wanted

      Like I stated, Rob Ford can do no right.. tiny thing he did is either going to be taken negatively by most people, so wtf.. stay silent and let the media and people squirm...just by looking at Rob Ford.. ha ha
  24. Peter posted on 07/09/2014 02:54 PM

    The evilness of the Star is beginning to show more and more. The enemies of the Star is growing.

    Greenestone is the newest enemy of the Star, No doubt their honest respectful business could be ruined by their new status of being able to leak patient activities
    of celebrities.

    Yes I agree too, like others here that The Star is being weird, and evil-like to spread rumours that causes ruin.

  25. franklin posted on 07/10/2014 10:45 AM
    The Star seems to imagine it is free to print anything. Not so. I hope the mayor demands at least $100K from the Star and Greenstone.
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