TTC Chair warns of cost of getting rid of streetcars

Augimeri says it would cost the city $2 billion

The head of the TTC says if Rob Ford phases out streetcar service it would put the city in a costly hole - funded by taxpayers.

It's a vow the mayor has made if he's re-elected in October.

TTC Chair Councillor Maria Augimeri says the the city would lose $2 billion dollars - those of the new streetcar fleet and related track renovations.

She says they would have to be sold. Augimeri stresses not only would the new streetcars be considered used vehicles but they would need costly modifications to be sold to other cities, since they were tailor-made for Toronto.

Augimeri says the city can't afford that.

She adds for every streetcar removed from the downtown core, they would have to be replaced with 3-5 buses. She says that would increase traffic, making life "intolerable" for residents.

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  1. ToddK_2 posted on 07/11/2014 12:27 PM
    Keep the Streetcars but get rid of right lane parking on all of Queen and King both ways Monday to Friday between 7 AM to 7:30 PM.
  2. ToddK_2 posted on 07/11/2014 12:28 PM
    ... and Remove that left turn light on Bathurst and King. This must be the single biggest bottleneck for streetcars. What are the city planners doing Monday to Friday in their jobs?!?
    1. dama posted on 07/11/2014 12:35 PM
      @ToddK_2 I agree with your suggestions.. no parking on the right and no left turning..
      that will speed up traffic and if they cannot do both.. then street car got to go.. travelling behind a street car, one has to be very patient..
  3. tanjo posted on 07/11/2014 01:41 PM
    To me, the most annoying thing is that they run in the middle lane (because of the parked cars on the right), stopping two lanes of traffic whenever they pick up passengers. I think a solution to that would be prohibitively expensive, though.
    1. ToddK_2 posted on 07/11/2014 02:20 PM
      @tanjo They add uniqueness to our city and the new Streetcars have a big cool factor. It's 10 years overdue that we extend our rush hour to 7:30 PM and get Queen and King to have a bigger pipelines. There are plenty of side streets through Queen and King to allow street parking and dedicated delivery truck drop off zones. It's time for real planning to start!
  4. Peter posted on 07/11/2014 02:18 PM

    I don't believe Maria Augimeri 's statements . She seems to be on the wrong wavelength.
    She is interpreting Mayor Fords idea differently.

    Getting rid of the street cars doesn't mean one great big project. It would be
    phased out over a long period, bit by bit.

    Just setting the directive would be accomplishment enough by Mayor Ford.
    At least we would be heading in the right direction.

    Setting the direction would be progress, and that is all that Mayor Ford
    would want us to look forward to.
    -recognition that streetcars are not needed, and what can we do about it.

    But Maria Augimeri's take on it is negative. I think she is grandstanding.

    1. dama posted on 07/11/2014 02:27 PM
      @Peter Grandstanding ?? Every councillor is..

      Rob Ford said right, they will say left, nothing is new here..

      and I agree that it will be slowly phased out. not an immediate thing..
      my take is that. street cars should have been phased out long long time ago. .traffic il flow much better without street car and that is a sure thing..

      bad planning from the Miller years.. .
    2. sam posted on 07/11/2014 03:26 PM
      @dama Dama my advise!
      stop listening to Ford. he will just steer you along a dark underground tunnel going nowhere
    3. dama posted on 07/11/2014 04:51 PM
      @sam your advise is worthless.. lol

      and I like going in circle..

      heed your own advice .. stop reading anything of Rob Ford so you dont have to post nothing .. ha ha
    4. LatteSippingElitist posted on 07/12/2014 06:06 PM
      @dama Get rid of street parking, slap tolls on the DVP and Gardiner. Traffic problem solved. Downtown is not for cars anymore. End of discussion.
    5. john posted on 07/13/2014 05:45 AM
      @LatteSippingElitist thay say toronto is not fer peepl anymor .
    6. dama posted on 07/14/2014 04:33 PM
      @LatteSippingElitist I wished it s that easy.. Toll doesn't resolve traffic congestion..
      look at London, England, they are the 1st city to slap fee going into the city and Singapore adopted that program and yet.. traffic in both city is as bad as ever...

      I think, the whole traffic light system needs to bew looked at... too any traffic lights at all intersections slow down traffic..

      and on the highway.. increase the speed,, I would go with 135KM .. 120KM is now too slow.. if every car travels constantly at 135km.. there will not be bottleneck..
    7. HP posted on 07/14/2014 04:44 PM
      @dama I spend a lot of time in London England, being a British have no idea what you're talking about. The congestion fee has dramatically reduced traffic in The City and combined with very aggressive parking police, the traffic has been reduced by at least 50%. The good thing is that it has increased the city's revenue by making those that actually create the congestion pay for the privilege.

      The downside is that it has created a two class structure, those that live in The City and those that need to commute. Exactly like Rob and Doug Ford have split Toronto into the 416 and 905. London and it's suburbs have amazing public transportation...busses, trains, subways...unlike Toronto which has wasted 50 years and can no longer afford o build anything that moves people.
  5. Mike posted on 07/11/2014 03:22 PM
    not to worry Maria. what Rob says today will mean as much as what Tim Hudak said a few weeks ago in about a few months. won't mean anything. just be old news
  6. francois posted on 07/11/2014 04:01 PM
    Keep the streetcars but please no expansion to other street. Remove traffic that slows them down, as NYC has done. In NYC, one similar streetcar system has been givn the road. NO cars.
  7. Carlos posted on 07/11/2014 05:12 PM
    Just get rid of the phuking street cars already!
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