Mayoral candidates battle in Scarborough

Lots of political punches thrown during the most recent Toronto mayoral debate

Rob Ford was both cheered and jeered as he took part Tuesday night in his first mayoral debate since returning to office after a two-month stint in rehab.

The controversial mayor of Toronto, who recently got help for substance abuse issues, arrived to duelling groups of demonstrators. One calling for his resignation, the other calling for him to have a second term in office.

Those competing voices were heard every time the mayor spoke through the night, as the crowd taking in the debate voiced both support and antipathy for Ford.

``I have proven in the last 14 years in government that I've watched every single one of your tax dollars,'' said the mayor to a chorus of cheers and boos. ``I have created jobs, I have worked with youth, nobody's worked with youth closer than I have...folks, my record speaks for itself. mIt's a record of success, success, success.''

Ever since returning from rehab, the mayor of Canada's largest city has said he can't guarantee he won't relapse, but has asked supporters to trust him as he runs for another term. Ford has also insisted that campaigning for the Oct. 27 municipal election won't compromise his recovery.

Despite Ford's backtracking on his assurances in the past, a significant portion of the crowd gathered for the debate in east-end Toronto appeared prepared to put their faith in him once more. Sporting ``Ford Nation'' T-shirts, pins and flags, they heckled Ford's political opponents and yelled out their support whenever the mayor spoke on stage.

``He's the only one that makes sense,'' said Bill Parkin, who called for ``Ford more years.'' ``He's the only mayor that's done anything good for us.''

There were many, however, who didn't feel that way. Anti-Ford demonstrator John Furr, who got into a verbal confrontation with Parkin prior to the debate, said it was time for Ford to leave public office.

``Remaining in office is an insult to average Torontonians. If he really wants to show us that he wants to earn our trust, he should be resigning,'' said Furr. ``The mayor's problems, by and large, are not related to addiction. They're related to his contempt, they're related to his racism, to his homophobia, they're related to his toxic environment that he's created.''

Ford recently raised eyebrows when he remained seated while city council gave a standing ovation to organizers of Toronto's World Pride festival. He did not answer questions from reporters outside his office about why he didn't stand along with fellow councillors, but said he's not homophobic.

Ford's role as mayor has been largely symbolic since November, when city council stripped him of most of his power following his admissions of alcohol abuse and drug use during ``drunken stupors.'' Those admissions came after months of denials and were followed by the surfacing of videos which appeared to show the mayor making offensive and profane comments.

The mayor has apologized to those hurt by his words and actions, saying he regretted some of his past choices but said he blamed no one but himself for his misconduct.

On Tuesday night, he returned time and again to what he portrayed as his stellar record.

``Who do you trust?'' he asked the rowdy crowd in which one person yelled she loved the mayor while another woman told him to ``go back home.''

``I've got a proven record, I've listed it numerous times. I said I was going to save money...I've saved the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars''

Former Ontario Progressive Conservative leader John Tory attacked Ford on his record, saying the mayor wasn't being up front about all he has achieved.

``We know what you were doing and it wasn't managing the taxpayers money,'' he told Ford. ''He's a laughing stock. People all over the world know who Rob Ford is, but they know it in a bad way,'' Tory went on to tell reporters after the debate.

``This reflects badly on our city...He should have been spending time talking to companies around the world saying we need you to come invest in our city and instead he's done nothing of that.''

Former NDP MP Olivia Chow also took the opportunity to chastise Ford in public, but she was nearly drowned out by his vocal supporters in the audience.

``Since Rob Ford came back, we've seen the best and the worst of our city,'' she said to a mix of applause and jeers. ``Rob Ford isn't going to resign, so join me in firing him.''

While Ford's opponents didn't delve deeply into his personal issues during the debate, Chow made it clear she felt the mayor's time is up.

``Even when Mr. Ford is clean and sober, his policy has failed the people of Toronto. And he is still not telling the truth,'' she said after the debate. "He needs to pack up his circus and leave town...He's a terrible role model for our children and I've said that he has failed as our mayor. I've said that very clearly.''

City councillor Karen Stintz and David Soknacki, a former city budget chief, are also among those vying to replace Ford.

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  1. John Tory was posted on 07/15/2014 09:55 PM
    John Tory was the clear winner. Ford started to fall when the other candidates talked about being ambassadors to the world to bring jobs and investment to the city while he looked like a big top clown.
  2. frankie posted on 07/15/2014 10:01 PM
    The mayor was the clear winner. Congrats Mayor Ford!
    1. Winners show up posted on 07/15/2014 10:10 PM
      @frankie Winners show up on time. Ford is the loser.
    2. Honest Appraisal posted on 07/15/2014 10:18 PM
      @frankie You must have been listening to a different debate than the rest of us.

      Tory, Stinz, Socnacki, and even Chow came across head and shoulders above the "slogan-repeating-but-say-nothing-else" Ford. Ford's high point came twice - both times when he talked about the above-ground subways.

      No, you're not too stupid, Rob.

      Congratulations to John Tory. He is the one deserving the title of "Mayor".
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 07/16/2014 03:45 PM
      @Honest Appraisal they didn't. Given by the overwhelming cheer by the crowd for Ford, Rob Ford is the winner here
    4. Realisitic Observer posted on 07/16/2014 07:27 PM
      @Karl Burgin Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ...

      oops ... my bad ... I should post only polite revelations .....

      So, Karl ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

      Stay in that rat infested basement in Bramladesh and fix your desktops, loser.
  3. Looking forward posted on 07/15/2014 10:22 PM
    Looking forward to Oct. 27, when we can all sing:

    ♪♫♫♪"Lordy, lordy, goodbye Fordy!"♪♫♪♫
  4. Peter posted on 07/15/2014 10:23 PM

    I agree with you Frankie.

    Mayor Ford walks the talk, the others just talk.

    Good going Mayor Ford.

    Thank you NewsTalk 1010

  5. Mark posted on 07/16/2014 12:09 AM
    Flord more yeaars, ford more yaers, ford, more, (belch)
    Lisi! get me another beer!!!!!
  6. Shirtless Jogger posted on 07/16/2014 06:39 AM
    It is time for Ford to resign.
    1. tanjo posted on 07/16/2014 10:53 AM
      @Shirtless Jogger You must have tuned in late. He's not going to resign. We're going to fire him!
  7. Marion Barry Says posted on 07/16/2014 07:33 AM
    Marion Barry Says Rob Ford Is 'Making A Fool Of Himself'
    Business Insider · 18 hrs ago

    Barry repeatedly said Ford was "making a fool of himself." "In terms of drugs and alcohol, he's making a fool of himself -- making a fool of himself. ... He's just making a fool of himself. He shouldn't use the fact of him using drugs as an excuse for being a fool.
    1. tanjo posted on 07/16/2014 09:31 AM
      @Marion Barry Says So ... what you are saying ... is ... he's making a fool of himself?

      "I can't help it, man! I'm all about stupid!" - Finn the Human
  8. The upcoming election posted on 07/16/2014 07:55 AM
    The upcoming election will bring to an end the political careers of Ford and Chow,
  9. Frankie posted on 07/16/2014 09:14 AM
    It's about time Tory took the gloves off. If he keeps it up watch his ratings increase. As for Chow's referring to Ford and Tory being millionaires, so what. They earned it honestly, however Chow and Layton have SPENT millions of taxpayer dollars.
    1. tanjo posted on 07/16/2014 09:23 AM
      @Frankie Ford got his money the good old fashioned way ... he inherited it.

      I think Chow was takin a jab at how Ford supplements his office budget with personal resources. That's wonderful if you can do it, but then if you make it part of your campaign, it becomes classist. i.e. "Vote for me because I can afford to keep my office expenses low."

      Not sure why she included Tory in the mix though. As far as I know, he has never held that position.
    2. Angry Bill posted on 07/16/2014 09:31 AM
      @Frankie This province seems to like voting in people who love to spend millions of taxpayer dollars. Waste it, spend it, shred it, flush it, whatever.. as long as it's long gone with nothing to show for it. That's what the voters want, because that's what they voted for.
    3. Angry Bill posted on 07/16/2014 09:34 AM
      @tanjo She painted Tory with the same brush, because it works. Voters tend to be persuaded by negative attacks by politicians, even if those attacks don't have a lot of truth to them. That's what happened to Tory before. It's happening again. It just remains to be seen if voters are still brain dead enough to believe the political lies again that have worked so well for Tory's opponents in the past.
    4. tanjo posted on 07/16/2014 10:37 AM
      @Angry Bill I would argue that it didn't work.
    5. dama posted on 07/16/2014 02:36 PM
      @Angry Bill painted with the same brush as in millionaires but Rob and John are 2 different politician..

      Chow is appealing to those voters that hate the 1% centile and JT is one of them.. even Rob is a millionaire, he appeals to low income earners.. hence the Ford Nation..

      and you think history will repeat itself for JT? I believe so,, he was leading against Dalton and towards the end he lost..

      for JT to win, he has to "steal" votes from Ford Nation..
  10. It's time posted on 07/16/2014 09:40 AM
    It's time for Ford to step down to the minors.
    He has his chance but this game is too big for him.
    1. Sonny posted on 07/16/2014 10:18 AM
      @It's time Ford did the rehab thing for political reasons which mean he will ultimately lose in the election rather than a debate where he lies and sloganeers...
  11. john posted on 07/16/2014 10:40 AM
    one thing i got form it is this

    1th chow needs to stop slamming rob ford . he is the victim of a addiction to drugs ETC . she keeps slamming him not only is she going to make a ass out of herself she is making people feel sorry for him and he is more likely to get elected again .

    2 nd i agree john Tory was good . if he wants to win he should stop pulling the same crap he did when he was the Conservative leader in ont .

    3rd =yawn Karen stint was boring we hell .

    4th David last name sounds like a sexual position =yet another snore fest able .

    5 th = if i was voting i would still put my into rob ford .
    1. Townie posted on 07/16/2014 11:05 AM
      @john 1. Ford is not a victim of anything except his own stupidity. But Chow was pretty pathetic n her lame attacks. Seemed very petty on her part, especially since she doesn't seem to have much substance to her campaign other than how much she identifies with "strugglers" and railing against wealthy people.

      2. Agreed. Hopefully he will continue to succeed.

      3. Agreed. She came across as a valley girl running for president on student council. No solid plans filled with platitudes and a pathetic attempt at a conversational-style approach best left for a conciliatory speech to her family (since they seem to be the only ones supporting her misguided bid). Makes her campaign logo almost laughably appropriate.

      4. I feel sorry for him because he has absolutely no charisma whatsoever and it is painfully obvious. I couldn't keep track of how many times he said "in Scarborough." For Torontonians, it could soon replace the fortune cookie game of adding the phrase "in bed."

      5. There are just no words for how ridiculous that is.
    2. tanjo posted on 07/16/2014 11:08 AM
      @john Okay, so if each candidate had a sexual position named after them, what would it be?

      The Tory Position - Good when you want go both ways. Elevated risk of failure.
      The Chow Position - Soft. Simple. Good for Beginners.
      The Stintz Position - "Bow to the Czar!"
      The Socknacki Position - Effective. Economical. Boring. Nobody does it.
      The Ford Position - The same thing, repeated over and over again until you fall asleep.
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 07/16/2014 03:48 PM
      @tanjo lol.....very clever ;p
  12. arthur posted on 07/16/2014 10:56 AM
    Stintz i see now why she's at 5% she sounds like a model wanting to feed the poor and save the planet. good lord! but i would still do her. Soknacki is smart and intelligent too bad he doesn't have name recognition. he has good ideas. Ford is just plain delusional. all he talks about is imaginary unpaid but built subways. Tory i really like but a little to preppy, probably looks good with a sweater around his shoulders. very smart but he won't attract much of the downtown ethnic vote. I like Chow, but i wish she was more articulate. but being ethnic myself i like the fact she plays a large part in ethnic communities. Asian/Italian/Portuguese. she's very well liked and respected but i wouldn't do her.
    I will vote for Chow more so to make sure Ford gets bitch slapped good but i would be happy with John Tory as our new mayor
    1. Sonny posted on 07/16/2014 10:59 AM
      @arthur Ford & Tory will get the Newstalk votes. Chow will get the CBC votes...
    2. Angry Bill posted on 07/16/2014 11:01 AM
      @arthur Then vote Tory. He's the better candidate of the two.
    3. dama posted on 07/16/2014 02:46 PM
      @arthur Rob Ford is sticking to his campaign message,, build Scarbboro subway.. save tax payer's money, stop the gravy train again and KING to Toronto housing issues.. an he doesn't care that other candidates are attacking him which he expects them to do and he is just smart to stick to his message.. the rest are irrelavant...

      Based on your post, you are looking at how JT dressed and Chow being an ethnic and well like by ethnic communities are no reason to vote for either.. look at what they have done.. Chow spent millions of tax payer dollars.. JT , haven't accomplished much as a politician..

      Ford seasoned councillors , then mayor then drug scandals..
      and yet surviving..

      Oct 27 will the day turnout will be high.. and the best candidate win....
    4. arthur posted on 07/16/2014 03:43 PM
      @dama Ford is the KING for sure but he's the KING of bullsht. 95% of the words out of his mouth is all bullsht. repeated over and over and over.
      "I've built subways" what the eff is that? "I've built subways"
      he hasn't built eff all and if it ever gets built out in Scarb which i still don't think it will, it will be years and years and years away. after he's long gone and forgotten. He's not surviving what he's doing is just embarrassing himself. Anyone else with half a brain and ethics would of resigned by now and not put the city through this, but Rob has no shame.
      He doesn't realize it yet but we all know this is his life he enjoys the crush of reporters and everyone talking about him and all that makes him feel important but when he looses and the cameras go away that's when the worst for him will start. downward spiral will commence.
      what will this man do with the rest of his life? not about he has inherited money it's about what will he do? no reputable company will ever hire him. what will he do write a book?
      coach football? go to law school?
    5. Karl Burgin posted on 07/16/2014 03:50 PM
      @arthur He says the same thing over and over because it is true.
      But then again, to you, the truth is like sunlight to a vampire- oohhh burn.
  13. Karl Burgin posted on 07/16/2014 04:14 PM
    1. Dean posted on 07/16/2014 04:31 PM
      @Karl Burgin It's interesting: given the choice between using a name of your own and actually participating in a discussion, or stealing someone else's name and trying to make them look bad by standing in the middle of any given discussion and screaming, you consistently choose the latter. Any thoughts on how you'll fill that void in your life when some day in the future we don't have Rob Ford any more?

      And by the way, everyone knows when the real Karl is posting, because you haven't figured out how to copy his display picture.
    2. Karl Burgin posted on 07/17/2014 11:04 AM
      @Dean There was a few comments posted by us DEAN that CFRB took the liberty of removing- even though there was nothing wrong with our comments.
      But somehow, they managed to miss this joker (and his disgusting comments) that pretends to be me and everyone else under the sun.
      I am beginning to understand why some people think that people in IT don't do much- because I see some very lazy web admin work here.

      CFRB Web admin- wake up....and remove comments or users who are making the experience here bad for everyone. Pay attention to what comments you are removing....
  14. Mark7 posted on 07/16/2014 04:16 PM
    Holy Crap...Rob Ford sweats like a fat pig during that debate. He must going through some serious withdrawal or he was drunk again. If he keeps that up he'll sweat out 50 kilos before the election.
    1. He was the posted on 07/16/2014 04:34 PM
      @Mark7 He was the only candidate late for the debate!
      Snort snort?
  15. Why are the Fords posted on 07/16/2014 04:23 PM
    Why are the Fords (Rob and Doug) credibility at the lowest level ever?

    Because both of them have not apologized publicly to the two Toronto Star reporters who they both knowingly libeled.

    What do you all think in 'Ford Nation'?
    1. Mark7 posted on 07/16/2014 05:04 PM
      @Why are the Fords Slandered...they slandered The Star and others. Libel is when you do it in print.
  16. From the posted on 07/16/2014 06:09 PM
    From the Toronto Star:
    "Campaign Lie Detector: Rob Ford says 14 untrue things at Scarborough debate"

    4) “We have a one-and-a-half per cent property tax increase, lower than any municipality in North America.”
    False. The annual property tax increases over Ford’s four years averaged 1.8 per cent, and that is not the lowest increase in North America: other cities, such as San Antonio and Windsor, have frozen property taxes entirely.
  17. Karl Burgin posted on 07/16/2014 07:02 PM
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