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Ford makes tax hike pledge

The Mayor says if re-elected, he wouldn't raise property taxes by more than the rate of inflation

The Mayor says if re-elected, he won't raise your property taxes by more than the rate of inflation.

In fact, Rob Ford says he can commit to even less than that.

He made the promise at his Etobicoke campaign office on Tuesday.

Ford says he doesn't anticipate a property tax hike as high as 2.5 per cent - the average inflation rate. He says he couldn't give an exact number but muses it could be a 1.5 per cent yearly increase.

He says he can still build a Scarborough subway and expand the TTC underground without a high tax increase, stressing all three levels of government would need to come to the table for funding. 

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  1. MarkFromEtobicoke posted on 08/12/2014 06:55 PM
    If Ford "Found over a billion dollars in budget and taxpayers savings" then why didn't he use the money from this to fund the $800 million Scarborough subway extension rather than raise taxes by a 1.5 % surcharge for the next twenty years?

    Answer: because the billion dollars is a billion dollar lie!
  2. Suz58 posted on 08/13/2014 08:50 AM
    This idiot keeps making promises about not raising taxes while the city's crime rate and unemployment rates go up. Nobody likes to see a rise in their property taxes but I would bet that if they see their tax dollars being put to good use, make the streets safer, increase jobs, they could live with it.
    He keeps yapping off about the gravy train, but in reality what has he done?
    Just read an article with Ford saying that the unemployed don't need transit. People base where they can get a job on accessibility. Are people even going to apply for a job they cannot get to?
    1. Karl Burgin posted on 08/13/2014 12:51 PM
      @Suz58 Concerning the line about "people without jobs not needing transit", I've heard that being repeated over and over, with it being taken out of context- just to make Ford look like he doesn't care about the unemployed.

      Even John Moore, who isn't a Ford supporter, defended the mayor on this one. Because what he said was seriously spun to make the mayor look callous.
      Don't always agree with Mr. Moore on the matter of municipal politics around Ford, but I have to give him points for fairness in both being critical of the mayor, as well as calling out when Ford has been hard done by.
    2. Fact Provider posted on 08/13/2014 01:13 PM
      @Karl Burgin This is not a matter of "spin" but rather just another example of the uneducated, not very smart, poorly spoken almost-mayor attempting to say something substantive and messing up as usual.
    3. Karl Burgin posted on 08/13/2014 01:20 PM
      @Fact Provider But still someone who means what he says...

      But I guess you prefer the Miller brand. An excellent talker who uses both sides of his mouth. But never getting the truth, or a straight answer out of him.
      You won't believe talk show hosts who used to be on CFRB at the time (Leslie Roberts, Bill Carroll, Stephen LeDrew and Coren) who at one point or another had Miller say one thing and turn around and do something COMPLETELY different in his politics and mandates.

      But in the case of Ford, it is spin. Anything for a good headline. The newspapers do have to make money after all you know.
    4. Suz58 posted on 08/13/2014 01:22 PM
      @Karl Burgin Hi Karl, this is a quote from the Star today..."“Every day people come to me and say, ‘Rob, what’s the No. 1 issue?’ And I say, ‘It’s the economy. It’s jobs. It’s property taxes. It’s transit.’ But folks, it’s the economy and jobs. Because if you haven’t got a job, you won’t need transit,” Ford said during a news conference at his Etobicoke campaign headquarters. “If you cannot leave your house to go to or look for a job, what’s the sense of having transit?”

      If this is the way this knucklehead thinks, he is sadly mistaken. Frankly Karl even if someone else would have made that comment, it couldn't be further from the truth. Transportation is one of the biggest barriers to finding employment. People will only apply for jobs they can get to.
      To someone like Rob Ford who has never had to fend for himself and learn first hand, the barriers of a job search, how would he know or why would he care.
      What I get out of the statement above, by Rob Ford is that people that don't have jobs, don't go outside their homes, he couldn't have this more backwards!
      Oh well, just one more rediculous attack on on the lower class or those less fortunate...
    5. Karl Burgin posted on 08/13/2014 01:29 PM
      @Suz58 No Suz.....Ford's sentiment is quite the opposite.
      If you don't have a job, how are you going to be able to afford to pay for transportation- whether it be a monthly or annual pass for instance. Or for the rising costs of fares...
      For someone "who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth" he's more in touch with the poor and less privileged, than any of his predecessors, and those who are currently running....
    6. Suz58 posted on 08/13/2014 01:48 PM
      @Karl Burgin I have to disagree Karl. When I was employment counselling, we would give free passes and start up funds for people who needed them. In this case, the transportation has to be there for them to be able to get back and froth to the job they apply to. Naturally if you have no way there, why would you apply.
      Ford makes it sound like people without work just sit on their asses and are not trying. He has no idea. I would say and many would agree, transportation would be in the top five barriers of applying for and getting a job.

      I really don't know why you can't see through the facade the Fords put on to make people think they know and care about the lower class and people struggling to have a life. I have been on both sides of that coin and can tell you for certain, Ford knows nothing of what he is saying. The only reason I can see him believing what he is saying is because he is buddies with the dealers and has shared a few tokes of different drugs with them.
    7. Karl Burgin posted on 08/13/2014 02:02 PM
      @Suz58 He does care about the lower class....
      *Why do you think he was so heart-broken over the Gen Jones debacle concerning the TCH
      *Why do you think he hosts Ford Fest every year, and makes all the foods and drinks free
      *Why do you think he is always swarmed by hordes of people wherever he goes- and its not rich people
      *Why do you think he was was so hurt by when the Star portrayed him as abusing his football players
      *Why do you think he was hurt when he could no longer be involved with the Don Bosco eagles
      *His latest campaign video on youtube shows him visiting people's houses, and making contacts for repairs and make people's lives better. You can argue that it isn't the job of the mayor, or maybe he has his priorities all wrong- but that sort of thing is hard to fake over a long period of time.

      I could keep giving examples but I think you'd get the idea. You can make all the arguments you want about his contribution while being mayor, or his personal life not being up to par. But caring about people is part of his core, and its something people cannot take away from him. John Tory, Chow or the other candidates don't have the same track record. Not that I'm faulting them for not having it- but they simply are not on the same playing field as Ford in that area.
      The same can be said for Ford's predecessors- Miller nor Lastman has even come close to genuinely care about people as much as Ford.

      That is why I do not see it as a facade.
    8. Suz58 posted on 08/13/2014 02:23 PM
      @Karl Burgin Karl, I really believe that all the Fords actions speak louder than words.
      As seen from his history in university, he did not get played on the football team, he did not return. He thinks because of the business and money that this should make him exempt of any wrong doing. They all act like they are above the law.
      Maybe I have been with liars more that between the body language and the language itself, non of them measure up.

      Funny cause lately things have been quiet with him, but give it time. It is very easy to say you care for people less fortunate. There is a difference between being hurt and angry because you get caught. I get the impression with the Fords that if you don't play by my rules, I am taking my ball and going home.

      I know the other candidates have issues as well...it seems if they go into politics with good intentions, they change, Ford thinks that it is his God given right.
    9. Karl Burgin posted on 08/13/2014 03:29 PM
      @Suz58 1.>By what does that have to do with the Fords caring about people....although I could make the argument that they do follow the rules as well

      2.>I don't really care about what issues (especially personal) the other candidates have. That shouldn't be what people should be judged on or voted for. If it is a majorative factor, and its applied to everyone, then so be it. But again, don't care about personal issues- or the need to know about them.

      3.>As for the Fords acting above the law, have to slightly disagree with you there too. Besides there are others who act way more above the law than the Fords. For example:
      -The police during G20; Sammy Yatim; heck, even sometimes day-to-day traffic stops
      -Provincial Libs who thumb their noses at us as they continue to take everything they can from us
      -The police chief who are currently suing Doug Ford for an apology. He can of course dish out political remarks, but unlike a big boy, he can't take them

      4.>The Fords have been in politics for a very long time- almost two decades for Rob Ford alone. If he didn't play by the rules, I doubt he would have lasted this long.
    10. Suz58 posted on 08/13/2014 05:09 PM
      @Karl Burgin Karl, this is quite off topic now. We have had our discussions about Sammy Yatim. I am not discussing other politicians.

      I am commenting on what Rob Ford has no idea and that is how public transportation IS imperative for someone who is searching for work.

      If ford had any idea what that is like, he would know that. He is the one that made the stupid statement and he is the one I am saying is so wrong. Not the other candidates, cops or other politicians.

      Yes, we will see, Oct. 27th by vote, but I hope the people of Toronto are smart enough to be done with his manipulation and self serving attitude.
    11. Fact Provider posted on 08/13/2014 06:44 PM
      @Karl Burgin Karl, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favour and have the DIRECT QUOTATION provided for you by Suz58 read to you.

      You aren't having any luck in understanding it by reading it yourself.

      That is painfully evident from the nonsense you've been spouting back to her in the almost-mayor's defence.
    12. Karl Burgin posted on 08/13/2014 06:54 PM
      @Fact Provider Take a page out from Suz58, and try learn to make an opposing comment without making an ass out of yourself.

      But I guess that's just too hard for u to do
    13. Fact Provider posted on 08/14/2014 07:54 AM
      @Karl Burgin At the risk of making your head explode again, I have posted a link to a real study using real math (not Ford math) on this page for you to attempt to understand.

      It's written at about a grade 5 reading level, so my hope is that you will grasp some of it.
    14. Suz58 posted on 08/14/2014 09:09 AM
      @Fact Provider Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinions on here. I don't like it when we attack each other. There are topics that we will agree with and some we won't. We don't have to agree. Nothing is taken personally on here, but I will speak my mind and expect everyone else to as well with respect.
      Remember, we all have something in common...we all want responsible leadership in a Mayor for Toronto.

      Looking back at all the topics on Ford Nation, the Ford's, their actions, comments, lack of responsibility, denial and so on...I am thinking that just the discussions and concerns people have about the Fords are enough evidence to show that there is no room for this childish, manipulative behaviour in city hall.

      When I look at the crime, homelessness, lack of jobs in Toronto, really, what has Ford done? To make a foolish comment like, "if you cannot leave your house to go to look for a job, what's the sense of having transit?" This is a perfect example of backward thinking. The thinking of someone who has NEVER been in the position of being down and out!

      When someone is out of work, they start out optimistic that they will find employment that will sustain them and or their family. After a little time, funds get tighter, depression may set in because they cannot afford to live the life they were accustomed to while they were employed. They tend to stay in the house because they cannot afford to go anywhere.
      If they are fortunate enough to be within walking distance to an employment Center, they may be entitled to free bus tickets and other perks to help their job search.

      With that being said, do you think anyone is going to look for work in an area they cannot access because there is no transit? If you can't afford transit, you sure cannot afford a cab. Some people are lucky enough to have someone close to them they can get a ride to and from work with but that doesn't usually happen until they have the job.

      Yes, transit is curtail to a successful job search! To hear Ford say comments like this just proves to me that he is out to help no one but himself.
  3. StuG posted on 08/13/2014 04:30 PM
    good grief!
    the bullsht never stops. it even gets printed out for the believer fools of fraud nation.
    the circus leaves town Oct. 27
  4. Fact Provider posted on 08/14/2014 06:42 AM
    For any members of Ford Nation who wish to become informed of the real truth not the Ford version:

    Globe and Mail report - (University of Toronto’s Institute on Municipal Finance and Governance) - today.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/rob-fords-dubious-budget-claims-dont-stand-up/article20054205/
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