Math and english test scores 'low' for Ontario high school students

Provincial test results released today who half of high school students aren't meeting the grade...

Ontario's education accountability office says ``persistently low'' test rates for students in high school applied math and English suggest the province should review those courses.

Provincial test results released today show that half of the high school students in applied math are not meeting the provincial standard.

The Education Quality and Accountability Office says results on the Grade 10 literacy test have decreased each year for the past five years among students in applied English.

CEO Bruce Rodrigues says in a statement that it's ``worth reviewing'' the applied courses to learn how they can better support student achievement.

The EQAO says that in elementary school, the percentage of both Grade 3 and Grade 6 students who met the provincial standard for math has dropped since 2010.

The literacy test results show that rates are improving in elementary schools and while 83 per cent of Grade 10 students were successful on the test on their first try, the success rate dropped among students in applied English.

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  1. Angry Bill posted on 08/27/2014 11:51 AM
    If only there was a pass/fail system in place for kids who don't learn the material required to move on to the next grade.

    Oh, right. We don't want to hurt the kids' feelings. Let's just pass them through and put them into the workforce. What could possible go wrong. Being literate in today's workforce is overrated, anyway. I mean, it's not like people consider literacy to be a reflection of a person's intelligence, right?
  2. AbbyW posted on 08/27/2014 11:53 AM
    Blame the unions for working to prevent teachers from being tested for competence
    Blame the province for adopting an incompetent way to learn math (vs memorization of times tables)
    Blame the province for moving away from fundamentals in English grammar
    Blame the unions/province/teachers for preventing students from failing where necessary in order not to hurt their feelings
    Do I need to go on?
    1. StuG posted on 08/27/2014 12:54 PM
      @AbbyW i think i'll put 100% of the blame squarely on the parents in this situation.
      i know some of your ilk will like to play politics with everything and pass the blame but if the parents spent more time involved with their kids lives and what they're learning or not learning, what they need to improve on and so on maybe shut off the TV from whatever stupid American shows they're watching if they took more responsibility in their kids education we wouldn't have this issue
    2. AbbyW posted on 08/27/2014 01:40 PM
      @StuG If you blame parents 100% then you're suggesting teachers are unnecessary. Parents do have SOME responsibility HOWEVER the purpose of teachers is to teach and if they don't, they're failing at their job.

      Your comments suggest you're playing politics by excusing teachers and the system for their obvious failings.
    3. AbbyW posted on 08/27/2014 02:17 PM
      @StuG JustinR has correctly reminded us that it's the teachers and their union that are playing politics, yet you find it disagreeable that we do the same.

      If you don't like to get dirty don't play in the mud!
  3. JustinR_5912 posted on 08/27/2014 01:55 PM
    Our education system is one that not only allows, but actually FORCES all teachers to belong to an organization that holds it's leaders political goals as a far more important concern than the quality of education they provide, and that rewards teachers based on seniority and their ability to parrot the organization's stance rather than their actual teaching ability.

    And we're somehow surprised that our kids aren't learning properly?
    1. AbbyW posted on 08/27/2014 02:12 PM
      @JustinR_5912 You're right on! StuG accuses our "ilk" of playing politics yet it's the teachers and their union that are political. Reminds me of the kid that hits someone when nobody's looking then cries when they're hit back, blaming it on the victim.
  4. JustinR_5912 posted on 08/27/2014 01:57 PM
    By the way: As much as I like the new commenting system that forces users to be registered and eliminates the hordes of anonymous trolls, it still needs some work. It took me seven tries across two browsers before it acknowledged that I had an account and let me log in and comment.
    1. AbbyW posted on 08/27/2014 02:10 PM
      @JustinR_5912 Ever since Bell took over I've found the website to have more problems than before. Your issue is but one example.
  5. Ernie posted on 08/27/2014 04:29 PM
    What this shows is:

    1) Spending MORE money on education the way the liberals have done it is NOT giving better results - therefore the money has ALL BEEN WASTED !

    2) People who argue that you have to spend money to get the best quality teachers are not taking into account value for money - we are NOT getting value from teachers

    3) Ontario teachers as the highest paid teachers in the world can not use the argument that you get what you pay for - we arnt getting what we pay for at all !

    4) People like Stug who say its the parents fault - may well have a point to a certain extent - but then we don't need to break the budgets paying teachers do we !
    1. Angry Bill posted on 08/27/2014 04:53 PM
      @Ernie I agree that the Liberal tendency to throw tons of money at a problem until it goes away doesn't really work in this case.. If you're not intelligently directing that money towards the root cause of an issue, all you're doing is rewarding the existing establishment to keep carrying on the way they have been. With predictable results.

      The root problems still exist. Frankly, as long as our approach to public education includes a one size fits all method of teaching, then the root problems will always exist.

      It's like the old saying.. if they're not learning the way you're teaching, how about trying to teach the way they're learning?

      Our current education system is based on providing good factory workers who are smart enough to work the machines, yet dumb enough not to question it. That model is gone now, but our education system hasn't caught up, yet. Until such time as it does, the root problems will remain.
    2. Ernie posted on 08/27/2014 08:46 PM
      @Angry Bill @ Bill
      Yet the Liberals did the same thing with Health Care - McGuinty added on a huge Health Care tax claiming it was needed to reduce wait times - then he just handed over the money to health care workers as pay increases.

      Wait times have really not improved in 10 years and yet health care workers make more money.

      Throwing money at a problem does not always work - but that is the Liberal philosophy.

      As far as learning styles is concerned - you are correct. A few years ago the President of Harvard commented that women were not as smart as men in the math type courses. That got him in a lot of hot water. What later researchers clarified is that based on learning styles for Math, men were more 'wired' based on existing math teaching methods. When teaching methods were modified for how women think, the results were identical.
    3. AbbyW posted on 08/28/2014 07:01 AM
      @Ernie The Liberals are masters at whoring with our money, buying votes with nothing else to show for it.
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