JERRY AGAR

Councillors who hate people

Posted By: Jerry Agar · 6/7/2012 6:34:00 AM

Council in Toronto has outlawed the plastic bag. Choices? Freedom? Forget about it. They are far wiser and better than you and me, and since they don't like plastic bags, you can't have them.

The bags take up less than 1/2 of one percent of the landfill, so the gain is so small as to be unnoticable. Next time you have a big pile of grass clippings or leaves - or anything - remove 1/2 of one prcent of the pile and notice the massive change. This is political, not scientific.

Here is a list of the people who are better than you; the councillors who voted to ban the bag.

Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Josh Colle, Gary Crawford, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Sarah Doucette, Paula Fletcher, Mary Fragedakis, Mike Layton, Pam McConnell, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Joe Mihevc, Peter Milczyn, Ron Moeser, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Jaye Robinson, David Shiner, Adam Vaughan, Kristyn Wong-Tam.

Now here is the list of councillors who think that grown-up merchants and grown-up shoppers can make decisions, especially on something so simple as, "paper or plastic?"

Paul Ainslie, Vincent Crisanti, Mike Del Grande, Frank Di Giorgio, John Filion, Doug Ford, Rob Ford, Mark Grimes, Doug Holyday, Norman Kelly, Chin Lee, Gloria Lindsay Luby, Giorgio Mammoliti, Josh Matlow, Denzil Minnan-Wong, Frances Nunziata (Chair), Cesar Palacio, John Parker, James Pasternak, Michael Thompson.

Karen Stintz was not there and did not vote.

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  1. Keith M posted on 06/07/2012 07:20 AM
    The sad part is council spent more than an entire session addressing this issue. In a city where we recently discovered a killer was spending time with children, you'd think they'd find other priorities to re-examine.
  2. StephenS_5505 posted on 06/07/2012 07:36 AM
    Anthony Perruzza started the motion and David Shiner a supposed ally of the mayor modified it for a year earlier. Who needs friends like these.
  3. Marcus posted on 06/07/2012 07:56 AM
    You're out of your mind on this one Jerry. What a bunch of whiners we all are!!! Get a cloth bag and shadddap!! It's such a non issue considering all the far more serious issues at hand.
    1. zonetbh posted on 06/07/2012 11:29 AM
      @Marcus Nah, ill just shop in Vaughan after work before coming back to Toronto.
  4. MichaelP posted on 06/07/2012 08:48 AM
    The thing i don't understand (since no one has answered this clearly) is where is the half of one percent number coming from? Is that bags that have been thrown in the landfills with nothing in them or is that the estimated total weight of all plastic bags?

    If it's all bags then what exactly is being saved? Most people will merely buy other plastic bags to use as garbage bags. So little if anything is being saved.

    It it's empty bags that are the one half of one percent, would the city not be much better off just publicizing that these bags can be put in blue boxes?
  5. Sandy posted on 06/07/2012 09:01 AM
    I voted for Michelle Berardinetti because she said she was aligned with Rob Ford and it looks like she isn't. I am so tired of Councillors running their own agenda. City Councillors forget who put them there and who they work for. I think it is time for a big change, maybe fewer Councillors and less little "g" government.
    1. IreneB_8264 posted on 06/07/2012 11:00 AM
      @Sandy Check out her website. It's Liberal RED like her husband's political affiliation.
    2. Lorraine posted on 06/07/2012 08:26 PM
      @Sandy I couldn't agree more, Sandy. Too many two-faced people on this council.
  6. enix posted on 06/07/2012 09:32 AM
    I don't even know how you can blame the "lefty' for this.

    Ford decided to bring the bag issue up again! If he would have just left it alone or proposed that the fee/tax be given back to the city...the outcome would have been different

    David Shiner (righty) came up with this idea!!!!!!!!!

    Using a football analogy that Jerry and Rob understand...the left cought an INTERCEPTION and scored a touchdown. Simple as that.

    And by the way, we can all live without plastic bags
    1. Lorraine posted on 06/07/2012 08:45 PM
      @enix Guess you don't have a dog!
  7. IreneB_8264 posted on 06/07/2012 10:58 AM
    If you lived in a high rise, you would see notes posted over your garbage chute that all garbage must be disposed of in tied plastic bags to prevent a pest infestation and odours which are health hazards. So will City Counicl be retrofitting all high-rise buildings with a different method of garbage disposal?
    I think not!


    And what about enforcement of the ban? Toronto City Council is banning GLAD from selling bags too? How will they enforce this?
    Hum…..Ford succeeds at outsourcing garbage pick-up, then the current union staff doing garbage pickup get reassigned to be enforcement officers to follow the garbage trucks and write citations for the residents?

    Sounds like a lefty scheme to me!
    1. enix posted on 06/07/2012 11:41 AM
      @IreneB_8264 It was a right wing councillor who brought this up!!! A Ford Ally!!! no lefty!!!
  8. LauraT posted on 06/07/2012 11:04 AM
    How about consultation? This total ban on plastic bags came out of left field (pun intended), without, as far as I can tell, anyone being asked their opinion on this. Perhaps I am naive, but I always thought these people were there to represent our wishes. I guess Jerry is right - the councilors must be way smarter than their constituents and only they know what's good for us. If the likes of Anthony Perruzza will be the ultimate authority on our lives from now on, we're all in trouble!
  9. Me Myself posted on 06/07/2012 11:10 AM
    Many people re-use plastic bags over and over for groceries etc. (I'm one of them). When they wear out I line my garbage container with them. Otherwise I almost never throw them out.

    Having to wash the approved re-usable bags after each use, in order to avoid bacteria contamination, negates the environmental benefits. It will increase water consumption and puts more cleaning solutions into our lake.

    I was around when paper bags were the only option...and I can tell you, it was a pain in the you-know-what. If you had soggy or wet produce the bag would rip and you would drop all your groceries.

    Bring back the bag and at the same time we need to get the Province to bring back Weed Killer.
  10. Cris posted on 06/07/2012 02:30 PM
    Seem's like the distraction worked. This has taken the outrage away from Husband's City of Toronto job working with young children.
  11. Al R posted on 06/07/2012 05:09 PM
    I had to listen to this discussion all day on Newstalk 1010. Both sides are acting childish about the issue. First - I can't seem to find any information on the "half of one percent of waste that goes to landfill" statistic. It would be helpful if the journalists using this statistic would cite where they're getting it from (isn't that what journalism is??). A couple other thoughts - everyone is complaining about the job losses...what about the economic impact of the increased amount of paper bags and/or demand for reuseable bags?? I do agree that the way in which this was pushed through was not the best method....but Jerry, THIS is freedom...we elect people to represent us. This begets a political system in which the kind of horse trading happens...this is what our freedom looks like!! In addition, if it is shown that there is a significant environmental impact (which I have not seen from either side for or against), it is the governments responsibility to help regulate for the public benefit. If left to your free market we'd still be using leaded gasoline, high sulfur diesels, and MTBE oxygenate in our fuels.
  12. Bob M. posted on 06/07/2012 09:38 PM
    Poor Jerry, what are you going to do? No plastic bags!!! My god, the world is going to end. Council has taken away your freedom. What's next? Road tolls to pay for public transportation!!! It's outrage!!! Heaven forbid you should be so inconvenienced to bring your own bag or heaven forbid, use a paper one.

    Hey Jerry, why don't you find something interesting to get all hot and bothered about.
  13. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/08/2012 04:47 AM
    Jerry Agar

    Was this proposal not raised by a Mayor’s supporter in council? Why are you omitting that minor detail !!!!

    EM
  14. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/08/2012 04:56 AM
    Emix

    For the love of God I have failed to understand how the Left is at fault here. They never asked for the bags to be let go. Did they want them gone? The answer is yes but they wanted to do it in an orderly manner. Thus the consultations that have been going on all along. But through surprises the Right raised up and they voted for it. And this is where Jerry Aggar surprised me to call it a vote against what the mayor wants. I thought the mayor wanted the bags gone? Wasn’t the motion raised by David Shinner?

    What left raise the motion of banning them? Strange !!!!!

    EM
    On the 49th
  15. bag_lady posted on 06/08/2012 08:15 AM
    Shame on everyone for missing the point: needless costly regulation and time wasted in council over.

    The application of laws, regulations and government mandates for anything related to control of human stupidity or so-called protection of the environment is a complete waste of time and taxpayer dollars and itself a self-evident demonstration of human stupidity.

    That is not to preclude government from spreading information to assist the general public in reducing the level of human stupidity and impact on the environment. A worthy affordable cause indeed. And the few tax dollars required to publicize common sense would would go much farther than the usual manure they spread around.

    Stop regulating everything! We can take care of ourselves. I don't care if you call yourself left, right up or down. Just stop it and the costs will come down for everyone.

    We need government at all levels to reverse direction. The new metric of progress in government should be how frugal the government may become in operating and how simple and reduced the laws rules and regulations may become. As a Councillor or Legislator measure your achievement by how frugal you become and how many laws, rules and regulations you simplify or remove from the books. Enough is enough already.
  16. johnny fever, dr. posted on 06/08/2012 05:45 PM
    Do you remember when I told everyone to go right down to City Hall and dump it at the feet of the Mayor (Jerry Springer, if I remember...)
    Well, Toronto can do better...just wait until these clowns decide to host an "event"....
    Glenn Debaermaker always seems to be publicizing himself around the Scarborough Centre.....
  17. ctwr9-11 posted on 06/09/2012 03:28 AM
    Thank you Jerry for NAMING THOSE TORONTO COUNCILLORS who are so petty and self important that they voted to BAN PLASTIC BAGS, without even thinking about the ramifications, without proper legal consultation, without any public input on the matter of plastic bag use!! In one fell swoop, they also killed thousands of jobs in the GTA bag advertising & plastics industry. Let us all remember WHO these councillors were so that we can be sure to VOTE THEM OUT in the next municipal election in 2014.

    In case you have forgotten who support the BAG BAN, here are the usual suspects:
    Maria Augimeri, Ana Bailão, Michelle Berardinetti, Shelley Carroll, Raymond Cho, Josh Colle, Gary Crawford, Janet Davis, Glenn De Baeremaeker, Sarah Doucette, Paula Fletcher, Mary Fragedakis, Mike Layton, Pam McConnell, Mary-Margaret McMahon, Joe Mihevc, Peter Milczyn, Ron Moeser, Gord Perks, Anthony Perruzza, Jaye Robinson, David Shiner, Adam Vaughan, Kristyn Wong-Tam.

    In my opinion, these 24 windbags on council have demonstrated how completely incompetent they are as no doubt this "decision" will have to be reversed to avoid lawsuits by GTA retailers and producers of these bags for consumers. If Miller had introduced the "bag fee" properly in the first place, directing the proceeds towards transit, or bike lanes, or the boreal canope, or some other environmental project, it would have been a productive move. But of course, he & most of the same leftists councillors who supported his agenda mindlessly bullied consumers, adding revenue to the bottom line of retailers instead.

    When it became impossible to re-channel the MILLIONS back to Toronto's coffers, Mayor Ford moved to eliminate it altogether. It was only because of political interference from PERRUZZA, and then grand-standing by SHINER that the other whiners seized the opportunity to vote AGAINST the Mayor's mandate, as usual.

    I predict, that this too will backfire on those clueless clowns on council, only to garner more support for the Mayor on behalf of the people, and then we can be rid of these gutless bags of hot air once and for all.
  18. climatecriminal posted on 06/11/2012 09:06 AM
    how many of these people who support this idiotic bag ban are commenting on plastic computers made in China
  19. Ivana Genua posted on 06/11/2012 11:37 AM
    I worked as a cashier in the late 70's while I was in high school. We had baggers and were trained in proper bagging procedures to fully utilize the paper bag. If a senior dropped a bag (paper bags are difficult to carry, particularly when you have two in hand), we would replace the entire contents of the bag free of charge. We would also double bag when the contents that would be placed in the bag would have been quite heavy. The long and the short of it is that plastic bags were invented for a reason; they make far more sense. We have recycling programs and plastic bags get reused often and for long periods of time. I wish these people would stop trying to kiss the butts of the greenies and get real. Are they willing to replace the contents of any dropped bag? Would they like to carry two paper bags full of groceries on the bus while juggling a briefcase, a kid, a handbag. Unbelieveable!
  20. Nicholas W posted on 06/11/2012 11:57 AM
    Man oh man I'm so sick and tired of these pukes.
    The older I get the more I hate politicians...and I don't hate much.
    Let me bring this to a real life example Jerry.
    Here in Scarborough there is a PLASTIC BAG company owned by a friend of mine.
    Ted is 80 now and built this bag company starting at the age of 55 when he had lost everything through a business venture.
    But Ted had balls and rebuilt his life to a better than average lifestyle for the last 25 years.
    His niche is all manor of plastic bags to retail companies, 99% in the GTA.
    He started selling from his car and within a couple of years had a unit in Scarborough where 5 folks are employed to this day.
    If this bag ban goes into effect these folks will all loose their full time jobs in Ted's very well run business.
    One of the employees is a very hard working Chinese guy who worked 2 full time jobs for 14 years to save for the house he and wife just bought and are moving in this month.
    He also has two kids in University.
    So with the snap of a finger potentially these folks have their lives turned upside down.
    Do you think this Shinner dork will care about this?
    I don't
    1. ctwr9-11 posted on 06/11/2012 12:19 PM
      @Nicholas W @Nicholas I hear you man! The mess that these same self serving councillors are making of our city is evident EVERYWHERE. The bag ban is just the bottom of their scummy barrel. Your story is heart wrenching, and probably just ONE of thousands where lives have been negatively impacted by the thoughtless, pompous, ego-centric decisions these 24 idiots have made on a daily basis! Can't wait to be permanently rid of these half wits, when we finally get the size of Toronto Council cut back to HALF.
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