JERRY AGAR

Ban Bullets? No. Find Fathers? Yes.

Posted By: Jerry Agar · 6/18/2012 9:48:00 PM

We don’t need to ban bullets. We need to find fathers, champion them, and encourage — demand — they step up and be fathers.

Rather than promote populist anti-gun policies, which is the easy thing to do but the least likely to produce a positive result, let’s get back to promoting family. Fathers matter.

When violence occurs, some are quick to blame poverty and lack of employment and opportunity.

But lack of money and employment are symptoms of a disease; lack of fathers.

Guns are also blamed and gun control advocated, but guns are just a tool used by a violent individual.

By the time a young man — disproportionately, it is young men — lets the bullets fly, he has been on the wrong path for some time.

Some of the toughest gun control cities in the U.S. have the most violent crime. The reason is obvious. The gun isn’t the actual problem.

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  1. MichaelP posted on 06/19/2012 08:56 AM
    you know why America has a gun problem for the most part.? A 72% illegitimacy rate in the black community might have something to do with it.

    I hate guns. I'll never own one, never held one. But those trying to use gun control as either the solution (or part of the reason for) gun crime are missing the bigger picture.
  2. AJ posted on 06/19/2012 11:08 AM
    No one should have the right to own a Gun!!
    Jerry is a racist and obviosly he will make this just a black issue.
    Gangs are not the result of lack of fatherhood.
    So many white people were shot by white people, so that's different I guess. Like the day light shooting that's happened in little Italy.
    Jerry, guns should only be used by police and military.
    You really can't hunt in Toronto, there are no place to hunt in Toronto.
    If you would like to hunt, ask the province to station a gun rental store in areas where people hunt! Like the shooting range that are out there. Keep guns in control! You are a nut, you lose your mind most of the time on the radio, how can we trust you with a gun?
    1. James posted on 06/21/2012 09:30 AM
      @AJ It is a race issue AJ. It has been been evident for at least 30 years, since the issue was thrust into everyone's consciousness by the Barbara Turnbull shooting. The reason it hasn't been solved is because honest discussion about the problem gets shouted down by fools like you who hurl the word 'racist' and 'profiling' around indiscriminately.
    2. JPJ posted on 06/26/2012 02:02 AM
      @AJ Here we go with "Lets just ban it and the problem will go away". First off, I don't own a gun or have any interest in having one, and I agree that they have no place in our cities. That said, banning the bullets will not do a single thing to reduce the use of guns by criminals, if anything it will just add more prestige in the gun culture if you have one with bullets. As far as I am aware it is already illegal to carry/transport a handgun unless you have a permit and the permit specifies between what locations and when. So anyone carrying a gun is already committing an illegal act. Is the thinking here that someone carrying an illegal gun will not want to put illegal bullets in it?! Until we are willing to seriously study ALL aspects of gun crime (social, economical, racial, cultural, religious....) we cannot work toward an effective solution, we are just guessing.
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  3. Jerry Agar posted on 06/19/2012 11:24 AM
    AJ, name one thing I have said on the air that is racist. Be the first to win that challenge. Every time I am called a racist I put that challenge forth and no one can do it.
    1. SteveB_10 posted on 06/19/2012 01:35 PM
      @Jerry Agar We are not a stupid as Americans Jerry, we know a dogwhislte when we hear it.
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  4. proton posted on 06/19/2012 01:37 PM
    @AJ
    perhaps you shouldn't have the right to an opinion. There's nothing wrong with private citizens owning guns and if you looked at the statistics, legal gun owners are rarely the problem. They are generally extremely responsible with usage, storing, etc. and it's a perfectly valid hobby.

    before miller and his stupid band of lefties eliminated gun ranges we had a few in toronto, in case you forgot hunting isn't the only legitimate use for a gun hobbyist.

    what we should be outlawing is all the nanny state rules that the left keeps piling on to society. can't do this, can't do that, rules for this, rules for that.
  5. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/19/2012 03:51 PM
    Jerry Agar

    I do not think that there is a single way to demonstrate being a racist, so I do not think asking to be defined as a racist is realistic. We are all very good people and we come in this city with very good intentions for this is our home. But here is where you drive many to think that you are a racist. There was a gunshot yesterday on College street and one death, you have not mentioned a word about it at all today. Had this been a shot fired by a Blackman in this city, had the one died been a black man, you would have offered that issue two hours of your program. You would have not gone after all blacks as they are violent people, but you would have gone on how the entire soccer game is a violent game and you would have questioned why all blacks do not stand up and close up all pubs so that we save those very poor blacks that have a problem in their communities. A white man shoots another man and you do not say a word about it. You have failed to tell us how we have a white on white crime, and why? For this is not news. So I ask you a simple question, is that a sign of racism?

    Let me go on your statement that we need the fathers in the families. Jerry I want you to tell me one shooting that happened in this city when the shooter is not having a parent. It is very important that if you are going to make these accusing statement of an entire race in a city, you spend a time and investigate these families. Many of the parents are actually older than you. But you do not know them. Jerry we know them their names and their homes.

    Kindly take a time to research these facts before you use these blanket statements.

    EM
    A Parent
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/20/2012 09:13 AM
      @EdwardM_8180 EM - when someone calls somebody else a racist then they better have something to back that up. Hiding when asked to offer some sort of evidence is a cowardly act.
  6. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/20/2012 05:09 PM
    MichaelP

    I have no reason to hide for I have no agenda but to get a safe city where every parent has a right to up bring his child. I also responded to why Agar is defined as a racist. And apparently he has responded very well in his today’s program to explain why the shooting in The Eaton Center was more important to the shooting on College street. The shooter on College street targeted his victim very well when the shooter at Eaton center targeted very badly. Honestly that was his explanation. So to him the Eaton center shooting was terribly done thus putting more people at risk than the well done on College street. Several factors here, the claim that Agar is a racist and anti-blacks is not starting on these two shootings, I only pulled them out to give him a physical example as he so requested. But still the blacks lost, for although husbands killed two people and the shooter on Collage street killed one, still the black man was a very terrible shooter. Oh boy I have worked with opinion makers in this city so long but I have never seen this kind of explanation and being put on a radio station large as CFRB.

    What we are dealing with here is perception, for some of us are not even bothered if Jerry Agar is a racist or not, some of us have out lived that level of concern. But the perception he puts out there is the problem, and if you look carefully I have tried to put my explanations on what we can do to change, for I need the facts to be out there, I am only going into this racism thing for he challenged a member in the forum. I do not think we can change the situation in Toronto by Jerry Agar understanding it, what we need is a system change and a societal change and I have already listed what we have to do and my solutions had a nil figure dollars.

    So in responding to his am I a racist, here is a new one for him. We have not heard any discussion on gun shots in his program now for days, as we did not hear about it after the shooting on Collage street. But just yesterday in Mississauga, a street called Colonial street, shots were fired and two youths were injured, one sent to a Toronto hospital. They were 17 and 18, the 17 the last time I heard from the family was doing very bad. Jerry Agar is reading this for the very first time for he has not heard about it although his own radio station has read it many many times. Now hold on that thought, for one of those days a black kid is going to shot another black kid. Watch how he blacks out the program for now we have a major disaster in black families of violence in blacks on blacks. Just watch and wait.

    May be it is we the listeners that fail to understand the definition of racism !!!!! Just may be.

    EM
    A parent in Toronto
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/24/2012 09:29 AM
      @EdwardM_8180 EM,

      the shooting at the Eaton Centre was a bigger story because it was at the friggin Eaton Centre. When police have to evacuate the biggest mall in the city it tends to get a little more coverage than say a shooting at a little ice cream joint.

      If some people perceive that the sole reason for the difference in the level of coverage is because of a "racist media" then some people are stupid. Not much we can do to help that..
  7. Candace posted on 06/21/2012 08:28 AM
    Good morning, Jerry.

    I simply felt compelled to pause a moment and thank you for your column. I am a first generation Canadian, born to West Indian parents. My Mum and Dad toiled exceedingly hard to create a life for myself and my brother. Both attained their education here. Dad earned a Master's degree with the help of a loan, and worked odd, often miserable jobs on the side to pay the difference. When he finished, Mum then commenced and, and a few years later, successfully completed her degree. My earliest years were spent watching my parents study, and, when my brother and I commenced school, we were expected to do the same. Education was not an option in our home; it was a requirement. Period.

    I am very proud of my father. He raised himself out of the ashes of poverty and, in so doing, set for me an example of persistence, endurance, and hard work. He was (and remains) an exemplar of duty. Collectively, over my childhood, he spent countless hours encouraging me to excel in my schoolwork (which I did!). He kept a closer watch throughout my teenage years, not because he was dictatorial, but because he was determined to protect me. I did not understand then, but I do now. He did not want to see me stray down the road of youthful curiosity and rebellion, only to end up pregnant with a fatherless child, as so many young girls do these days. I had a curfew. I had rules and was obliged to follow them. He taught me to respect authority and myself. I was forbidden to argue with a teacher or any adult; that was my parents' job, not mine. I was forbidden to wear skirts and shirts deemed too revealing. At 16, I was forbidden to go on dates during school nights. Did all these things seem harsh at the time? YES! But today, I thank G-d for my upbringing, because without it, without my father, I would be a different person today. My father did not live to keep me happy all the time, although he tried. We had wonderful times together. He dedicated his life to keeping me safe and healthy, and ensuring I received a solid education. His role was to be my father, not my friend, and he fathered me well.

    This past Father's Day, Dad showed me his hands. They are worn and wrinkled and dark from all the menial jobs he had to work in earlier years. But they are beautiful hands nonetheless, Jerry, because they exemplify his sacrifice for me. My hands, comparatively, are soft., preserved from years of holding pens and pencils and typing on keyboards. I have never known poverty and likely never will. I know how to care for myself and make good decisions. I am single with no children, and I have a Masters' degree just like my Dad. I am because he was and is, and yes, THAT is what society needs, now and always: FATHERS! Rich or poor, Black or White, Red or Brown, society needs fathers! True, some young people with active Dads may still turn to crime. And some young people with single Moms may not. But neither possibility negates the necessity and benefits of having a father in the home. Even if he is not physically with the mother, whatever the reason may be, children need a good father in their lives, someone to guide and encourage them, spend time with them, laugh and cry with them, advise them, support them, love them. It is imperative. It makes a difference!! It certainly made all the difference in the world for me.
  8. levon posted on 06/21/2012 10:28 AM
    Agar has once again divided people. It's the far rights way. (Capitalism is always good...the people's government is always bad.) On his radio show he brought in his "black reporter" to answer questions about the effects of fatherless black families and violence. Thus his opinion was the bulk of violent gun crime in TO is because of black gangs. Is he a racists? Who knows. But tellingly his facts that he is so proud of don't really don't tell the whole story....thus divided us. Why did he not have facts for white males without dads and the crime rates? Why did he not have facts for white and black separated parents but both were still in the males life? Why not include social economic conditions for whites & blacks and the effects on youth crime? No as usual he goes for the easy hanging fruit and what fits his whacky agenda. He fits in so much better in the US...he should go back.
    1. climatecriminal posted on 06/29/2012 02:17 PM
      @levon that is about the dumbest post I've ever read comrade, who's holding your leash anyway?
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  9. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/21/2012 05:35 PM
    Bills 7

    No no you are missing the point, those are not the figures he needs. Jerry Agar has explained his figures and I am starting to understand him, he is based on statistics written by the very same system, a Professor here and a professor there, that wrote the very terrible system we are dealing with. Here is the other side, Husbands has a father and a mother he was never born by a baby mother but he had a gun and shot people. The kid that pulled a plastic pistol in St Michael hospital to a doctor to treat his child, had a father and a mother, and I can take you to their homes today. You see how I am going through this list, my numbers are based on real people and real children and real parents. Those are the numbers I am using not some gobbled up statistics. I am using tomb stones and driving back from that tomb stone to who is the parent. And he challenged me to fight the statistics no I cannot for I am not that smart. I use a dead person and where he came from with what family he came from. I am not like Chief Fantino that sees African kids shooting in the city and he flys into Jamaica to work out the solution for the professors have posted him the statistics that these are Jamaican kids.

    But I need you to go back into the blog and read the posting of Candance for it is a very good writing. A writing many of us wonder why it is not empowered ever. When Jerry Agar came to this city I picked up my phone and called him for an appointment to talk about the gun culture in our youths. And at a time we were getting shots I think every day, it was the days of the kid that was shot at a school on Keele and Finch. He told me that he was too busy I should call him after the holidays which I did , and then he did not return my phone calls. Had I come with a solution of I know how to fix bicycles and if I get 50,000 dollars from the city I can train 100 kids and they will get off the crime spree I would have sat with him, CFRB would have interviewed me and all televisions would have gone after me. My solutions do no need a dollar so I do not create jobs I stop them.

    What Candance has written is what we are missing in this country. Parents have been turned into the kids and the kids have been turned into the parents. Right today I have a parent in Alberta whose kid has been taken by Children Aid for she said she does not eat bread at home. She is six years old for God’s sakes. And do you know what we have advised the parents? The kid is screwed forget her. There is no kid that is ever taken by Children Aids and returns as a good kid or you will commit suicide and we have seen many that drop themselves into the subway and die due to Children Aid decisions that are not appealed to anyone. And when you die by a train you are not made public, we burry you and we shut up. That is how society functions. Why doesn’t this kid have bread at home? For it is junk food, we import all our foods here, I do not want to see my kid dying of cancer and Alzheimer disease and so many diseases we never saw in our lives at home. It is a decision we have made very broadly, we eat fresh food and we fly it to the country we own stores and we are okay. Children Aid Society does not know that for you have a college student that you’re dealing with that has so much powers and it will take you a year to see a judge to reverse her decisions.

    Candance grew up to be responsible for she was a child and her dad was a father not a friend. When she did wrong she dealt with her father not a social worker. What society has created today is the kids that bullied their bus driver. Candance would not bully her bus driver for she did not want her dad to know about it. These kids do not report to parents they report to social workers, and the social workers go after their parents for they only get a job after turning the kids into robots. I have worked in Ontario schools, but it is amazing at the difference of kids in urban Ontario with non-urban students. Visit the schools out there and see the difference. When you know the difference between the students from Toronto to the students in Saul St Marie, you will be able to answer to Jerry Agar’s question today. Have we as Canadians grown up very terrible kids?

    I do not know, but make sure that you are not a senior citizen in this society when the robots that you are bringing up today take charge of this system.

    EM
    A Parent
  10. Daniel Villa posted on 06/22/2012 06:54 AM
    The times we live require desperate and drastic measures. Champion and encourage fathers to step up is not going to do nothing. If the law enforcement community is going to stop shootings and crime then any and I mean any measure is welcome. The law must be changed for those who commit a crime, the prison sentences must be longer and harsher, who cares if it destroys the person (he is already a convicted criminal). The educational system must include a mandatory course in military instruction to introduce the youngsters to what an adult should be.
    It is a time when guns must be elliminated from the hands of citizens.
  11. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/22/2012 09:08 PM
    Daniel Villa

    We need to walk back to where we are coming from, displining a child belongs to a parent not to a government and not to a police officer or a social worker. The next important person from a parent is a teacher. Create all jails you need, sentence them to life all you want, but if a child is brought up under a system that teaches him that he is the parent and the parent is the child, save more money for you will need more jails. Did you have Police officers in your school? Why do we have them today in schools? For in the reasoning of Jerry Agar and you we think that by being high handed we can replace the parent position. Well today Police Officers will do it, but in ten years you will need a military squad in the school. Take the money out, take the nonsense of building them swimming pools, take the nonsense of building them soccer sports for kids belong in homes with their parents. We are in Toronto but society has neglected us thinking that jails and longer sentences can replace us. Good luck on that. What is very strange is that all people that plead for the elimination of the parental factor are people with adult kids and who grew up in rural areas. Money Police and social workers have near created a good kid, it is parents and community. Toronto has so many parents but community is stuck into jails and death sentence if we can.

    There has been another shooting in Scarborough today, you might want to speed up your building of jails for they are actually catching up on you.

    EM
    On the 49th
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/24/2012 08:28 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 i think i want to barf reading that garbage.
  12. levon posted on 06/23/2012 10:33 AM
    When this far right teabagger starts talking about facts and stats you know we're in trouble. The other day he pushed the theory that violent gun crime has shown to decrease if we were all armed. Basically the bad guys would think twice before pulling a gun because everybody now has a gun. So his solution to the gun problem is to arm everyone in Canada. He forgot to mention the huge increase in accidental shootings we could expect. You know...kids playing with guns, shooting a home invader when it was actually a son or daughter etc. And how many people would have started "fear" shooting in the Eaton's centre last week if everybody had guns? He never mentions those stats. Seriously send this guy back to the US where he can get his guns back. As for us let's get all hand guns out of Toronto and let's increase jail time for illegal-gun violence in Canada.
  13. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/23/2012 06:12 PM
    Bills 7

    That is the very reason I decided to join this blog you see there is just too much nonsense stated that is not facing the facts we have. For example let me raise one today. Take out the guns that are in the black children, but we have a whole lot of children between age 18 to 23 that are wasted in the province today for they lost classes during The Michel Harris time. You see under Mike Harris and during what he called The Conservatives common sense Revolution into Ontario, he made the schools his victims. The conservatives went after schools and teachers and unions and it became like they were in a war zone. There was a strike today another strike tomorrow and another strike the other day. Now what the people failed to realize is that as Harris was sending in his commonsense revolution, and the schools getting closed, many of the children made the malls the class rooms. Teachers were being abused by the government and the teachers lost any respect they had, and you did not know what was going to happen that day, for you never knew what school was to be closed and what school was to be open. Education became a menace into the entire province. The children that you had at a time are the 18 year olds today harvesting the Conservative Michael Harris revolution. And I am not here to state that all of them, but when did you see such a gun totting youths and only in 18 19 20 year olds as it is today? Nope let us go after blacks let us go after single parents and babies becoming mothers, the one that was shot in Scarborough was he a son of a minor? And they are many out there for reports are stating that in Scarborough the attack was done by about 6 kids, so just how many do you have out there today? We all need to rethink this situation for trust me the solutions thrown out there are simply not working.

    The kids needs to change but so is society.

    EM
    A parent
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/24/2012 08:25 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 blaming this on Mike Harris is about the most ignorant thing one could possibly do. Talk about a pathetic attempt to score political points. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      My wife is a teacher and your summary of events in education under Harris is greatly lacking in accuracy (and she's a lifelong liberal).
  14. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/24/2012 03:04 PM
    MichaelP

    There was no Police saving people in The Eaton Center. The shooting happened when I was at Mt Pleasant and Eglington, my daughter called me for she was in The Eaton center and what everyone was complaining about was where is Police. People’s lives were saved because the security guards of the mall took charge, but I arrived at the Eaton center with no Police Officer at scene. I got my daughter from a point we agreed to meet, and I drove back out the core through the confusion as Police was arriving. Mt pleasant and Eglington and you reach the Eaton center with no Police officer showing up. Do you know when ETF actually arrived at the scene? Almost an hour 15 minutes after, they actually came in via Shutter street when the ambulances had started even to leave, that is when ETF showed up. So the story of Police saving lives at Eaton center is just that, a story.

    EM
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/24/2012 08:23 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 who said anything about the police saving lives? I think you're missing my point. It's the Eaton Centre, it's a bigger story just because of that. You know how I heard about the story? Via a sports website because Brett Lawrie (Jays 3rd basemen) tweeted about running out of the mall with everyone else when the gunshots went off. This isn't a bigger story because the idiot shooting was black. It's because the idiot opened fire in the biggest mall in the biggest city of the country.

      I'd be willing to bet that the first cop did not show up 75 minutes after the shooting. I'm also guessing you're one of these cop haters that'll make this story about the cops somehow.
  15. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/25/2012 02:43 AM
    MichaelP

    If you want to find solutions to a problem you have today do not start to think that Husbands got wasted the day he walked into The Eaton center, trust me bringing up a child to be good starts from the day the child is born. How? By understanding that he has been fade and you let him cry without attention, for you know you do not need to show that he dictates the terms of attention. And if you think that the Conservative Common Sense Revolution did not have an effect to schools in this province then you were not in the province sir. But let me say this too, it is of no value in this reasoning to think that Liberals or conservatives are the bad people or the good people. For now you seem to think that because your wife is a Liberal supporter so her reasoning is supposed to be terrible. That level of reasoning has honestly to be left with Jerry Agar. Let us not be like Mayor Rob that defines council members publicly as lefties. Name calling is never a solution, and my raising the Michael Harris time is only limited to showing you what happened in this city, for unlike your wife a Liberal teacher, I was in this city and I saw schools closed every day for teachers were on streets striking. The kids were in malls all over the place and you and your wife can claim that it did not have an impact on the children, but bottom line you have 18 year olds in the city shooting each other every day, which has not been happening at this rate. And trust me before this week ends there will be another 18 year old shot. At the rate we are going I can bet money on that, for I am a parent and I do not live in denial of everything is alright.

    EM
    A Parent
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/25/2012 04:14 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 Congratulations on missing my point on so many levels - you're incredibly skilled at reading between the lines with piss poor accuracy.

      1) my wife is a teacher - this was mentioned since you said that teachers around the province didn't know which schools would be closed the next year. As if Harris was randomly closing schools just for kicks. You're wrong on this, so wrong that it's sickening.
      2) mentioning my wife is a lifelong liberal was to tell you that she has no reason to support anything Harris did. She doesn't like him but you completely overstating his impact (to help your incredibly weak argument) does you no good.
      3) the kids were in the malls? How do i counter such a point with no meaning. Do you think these murderers become that way because the basketball court wasn't available once a week after school? Are you that simple minded? You want to know who's gonna turn out to be the future gang members? Ask your local 3rd grader teacher. They'll tell you with ridiculous accuracy. It's the kid who comes from the broken home, who's mother (father unknown) doesn't bother showing up to parent interviews and if they do is an ignorant child herself (usually a high school drop out without a job). All the extra social workers in the world won't solve that problem.

      My kids - unlikely to be gang members. Mommy and Daddy both at home, great extended family. No drunk in the house. No drug addict in the house. Parents with jobs. That's what our kids with look at as a model. It really isn't much harder than that. The problem is that people like us aren't having as many kids anymore but the teen moms of the world keep spitting out kids. Those kids don't have a bloody chance.

      You want to solve these problems? tell us how we can get people to not have kids until they're are financially and emotionally ready to have kids. Until you do that, all the extra programs in the world are just helping the odd child, it'll never fix the real problem.
  16. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/25/2012 02:59 AM
    MichaelP

    You are walking the real journey of Jerry Agar now of every child that shoots another is a child born by a minor and blacks as a society are bad parents. Look Police Officers are good people but their job is very tough. And just for the record, I am going through a very tough time as I write this posting for my own daughter I picked up from the Eaton center is about to do her test to become a Police Officer. Why should I stand to go after them? But having stated that I need to be an adult and point out the problem we have in them for without mentioning it the institution loses its integrity. I have tried so hard not to be a name caller in this discussion and I am starting to be labeled as Police hatter, and we have wives that are Liberals for life, soon I am going to be a leftie. Let us kindly limit this discussion to being parents and people that live in this city please. Name calling is Jerry Agar’s job that used air time the other day to explain to me how Portuguese are not regarded as white people.

    And by the way he still challenges members of his blog to explain how he is a racist.

    EM
    A parent
  17. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/25/2012 03:17 AM
    MichaelP

    Just before I go, there is a very good comment from a judge, under ”Who's to blame for bullied bus monitor incident?” that I encourage you to listen to. This judge is very right for she goes exactly to my frustration with society. And do you know what is bizarre? Is that instead of society standing up and questioning its self why is has brought up such children, it raised half a million dollars for the bus driver. Always money solves the problems we have at hand. And we need to get a classification of criminal record to 10 year olds.

    Heads need a shake man.

    EM
    A parent
  18. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/25/2012 04:57 PM
    Bill 7

    This is what I wrote

    “There was a strike today another strike tomorrow and another strike the other day. Now what the people failed to realize is that as Harris was sending in his commonsense revolution, and the schools getting closed, many of the children made the malls the class rooms. Teachers were being abused by the government and the teachers lost any respect they had, and you did not know what was going to happen that day, for you never knew what school was to be closed and what school was to be open.”

    In that writing I never stated that Michael Harris was the one closing up the schools, it was the strikes that were closing them. When teachers are on strike there is no class room running sir, and to me that is a closed class. I was actually careful to state that you would not know what school was to open or close for the strikes were un predictable. There is nowhere in my writing where I state that Michael Harris is the one that locked up the schools. Now if your Liberal wife did not see random closures of class rooms by the random strikes, some of us did sir.

    I get very concerned when you state that good kids come from stable families, get a day in Down town Toronto and walk with me for I will take you to families that are immigrant in this city, married and they go to attend all meeting in school but they have spoiled kids for they are actually spoiled from the schools themselves. I have thrown this challenge to Jerry Agar to tell me a kid shot and dead when he did not have a father and a mother. He came back with studies have shown. Let me repeat myself the child that showed a gun to a Doctor in St Michael is from a stable family sir, the parents today live in Hamilton and both. Okwongo that died in North East of Ottawa was plucked out of his family of a father and mother that are in same house and stable family, in fact the father came to this country as a medical doctor. The kid that was shot at River street had a father and a mother in same house stable family. So your explanation is just unbelievable.

    But let me sate this too, I am an immigrant to this country, and in all countries I have been in, this is the most country I have seen with single parents, there is no stable family in this city you will be very lucky to find one for every one is single, divorced or gay. Are all of the children shooting bullets? Secondly you state that kids of stable families and extended family available, you get a good kid. So are you stating that immigrants in this country that are first generation without extended families are all producing bad kids? Geez then we are having a nightmare, for they are too many out there. You see it is that kind of blanket statements that make the policies we need to change.

    Unbelievable indeed !!!

    EM
    A parent
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/26/2012 08:53 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 You seem to like to read my posts and not really read the words but rather interpret it the way you want. It's hard to have a civil discussion with a person who takes my words and changes them to suit their own needs.

      As for taking a day in downtown Toronto to see how things really are, well i was born in Toronto, went to school in Toronto and have spent every working day of my life from the age of 22 til now (16 years) working in downtown Toronto. So pardon me if I don't take you up on your offer. I'm guessing I know my hometown a little better than someone who says that there are no stable families in the city, that everyone is single, divorced or gay. What kind of drugs are you on?
    2. climatecriminal posted on 06/29/2012 02:11 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 the government was abusing teachers? how? buy not bending over and giving them everything they wanted?
  19. EdwardM_8180 posted on 06/26/2012 09:12 PM
    MichaelP

    I will spend all my time discussing how to make a change to our children in this city, and I start that by being respectful to everyone I discuss with, a very principle I have used ever since I joined the blog of CFRB let alone to exchange ideas with you. And if I have disrespected you in any form or manner sir I kindly request that you accept my apology. Having stated that, I rather we limit this discussion to respecting each other than starting to call me a drug addict. You disrespect me one more time like that and we will be done with this exchange.

    I am sorry but I that is how I was brought up sir.

    EM
    A Parent
    1. MichaelP posted on 06/27/2012 08:56 AM
      @EdwardM_8180 you said that in the city of Toronto (a city of millions) that you'd be "very lucky: to "find one" stable family. If this is your definition of respectful dialogue than it's probably best this exchange of ideas ends. That is incredibly insulting.
  20. EdwardM_8180 posted on 07/01/2012 12:35 PM
    MichaelP

    Public policy is a very tough thing to discuss for society starts it by self-protecting. I made a statement about stable families and it has annoyed you to a point that you have defined it as insulting and this discussion should end. Then I go on statements you have made in the exchange that have not bothered me at all and here is a couple of them and these are direct quotes from you sir. “I'd be willing to bet that the first cop did not show up 75 minutes after the shooting. I'm also guessing you're one of these cop haters that'll make this story about the cops somehow“. On everything I have posted in this blog what tells that I am a Police hatter? But you also stated and I again quote you sir “You want to know who's gonna turn out to be the future gang members? Ask your local 3rd grader teacher. They'll tell you with ridiculous accuracy. It's the kid who comes from the broken home, who's mother (father unknown) doesn't bother showing up to parent interviews and if they do is an ignorant child herself (usually a high school drop out without a job). All the extra social workers in the world won't solve that problem.“ Well is that statement justified? Or it is fine for it targets only blacks? And yet it is also a wrong statement for I do not know any child that has shot any one when he does not have parents. The point here is that the statement I made about stable families was about the entire Toronto or call it a Canadian society, all of us whites blacks Jews Natives and so on, this is not a society that encourages marriage. Yet you found it very terrible than stating that parents do not go to schools thus the kids become gun shooters. You need to know the many kids that have been successful in this city without families man.

    MichaelP I have had a Sunday morning today to drive with friends through Scarborough, we have been on Shepherd Finch Pharmacy Victoria Park Ellesmere. And it is a very abandoned place in this city and under this mayor. We have been in the shops and we wondered about the food sold in major retails as No Frills and Food basics. They sell the worst food that we refused to shop there. Rotten tomatoes, Avocados that have insects, rotten onions and these are things that we would know for they are sold fresh. Now if they are that bad what is the standard sold in meat in butter in ice cream in juice, things you cannot know just by the look? So because these are poor communities we have even decided to lower the class of food they can buy. MichaelP go to Shoppers drug mart in Down town Toronto and see the quality of the toilet papers sold and compare it with the toilet paper sold in the poor community shoppers drug mart. Same chain store but deciding on the quality based on how rich or poor the community it serves. Get a car and drive to those stores, buy a tomato and see if you can feed it to your kid. Some of the stores we have been in this morning sell food so bad that I would not even find it on a market in Kenya. And yet it is accepted for these are poor communities. I said when I started this thread that we as a society need to change as much as these societies have to change, but crime in the city is manufactured.

    For if to get a descent tomato you need to drive out of those areas and you have a child that grows up knowing that to eat a Mango it has to be rotten one side and you cut it off to eat the good side, we are in a very serious danger. I have taken one of the tomatoes to the local manager at No Frills and I told him straight face, we honestly can do better than this. Now the question becomes if we have abandoned these communities to even at basic requirements as food standards, how else have we abandoned them? And this question is not for a parent or non-parent but to all of us Canadians. Honestly when you are poor in this city and under this mayor, are you not entitled to fresh tomato in Toronto? And the people that should investigate these issues are the Amber Geros that are black and have radio stations they can only use to attack only black parents for they are failures , and unlike her mom that was a good parent the rest of them are losers. Amber Gero how many rotten tomatoes did you actually feed on in Malvern? Now when you lose a voice of radio stations to change these terrible situations for the mayor have become a talk show host, you are in a real problem for this information should be picked up by a radio station but not me for I am a parent concerned about crime.

    As we were still wondering why stores sell rotten foods in Scarborough, we were alerted on a stabbing on Finch and Pharmacy, where an I think was 18 was stabbed on a North West corner of the intersection. Every Police officer was being sent to the intersection for we have a youth stabbed. But 10 40 am or about when it happened was too early on a Sunday, why did this happen? For we have turned these communities into crime ghettos, and we love it for we are making lots of money out of it. And as we keep on raising the solutions Canadians come back with build more jail and get longer sentences. MichelP I am repeating myself, double the speed of building those jails for these are very too many kids out there only waiting to become criminals for we have allowed them to be. At the end of the day you will need half the real estate of Toronto to be jails, and after you jail all of them for 50 years a piece, they are going to come after you. This scares me as a parent trust me for if it will not affect me it will affect the future of my kids.

    Yes blacks are very terrible parents but we as a society have a whole lot we need change as well.

    EM
    A parent
  21. Andrew posted on 07/05/2012 09:52 AM
    I agree with Mr. Agar, 100%.

    Throughout my life, I had a father who kept me in line. He helped me to pursue my dreams and instilled a respect for responsibility in me. I have black neighbours who are also fathers. Their children do as fine of a job as I do, because they have a father figure in their life. I have black friends who are also successful too, because they also had a father in their life. A father figure is necessary, and banning bullets will not solve anything. For all those idiots out there who think that this is a racist issue, perhaps you should take your head out of the sand.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/04/roots-of-gang-crime-absentee-black-fathers-ensure-future-generations-of-gang-bangers
  22. Mario from Alliston posted on 07/19/2012 11:50 AM
    while particular race is not the issue but social upbringing and the degration of intellectual formation is the root of the problem. Remember banning handguns or bullets won't changed the fact that the culpability of a crime belong to the criminal not the medium. If the answer to the problem is to ban guns, why don't we ban knife, car, martial arts studios, alcohol, etc..... No, the problem is the people, not the agent. In a hand of responsible, law abiding citizen and 'trained' individual, firearms is a 'tool' instead of a weapon. Why punish us sport shooters because of these tugs? Remember, these criminals didn't get their guns and ammos from 'bass pro shop' anyway, clean up the street, tighten border control, give harsher punishment for those related to gun violence..that is the answer!
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