JERRY AGAR

Let's sell community housing

Posted By: Jerry Agar · 8/14/2012 12:06:00 AM

I don't think government can fix the problem they created at TCHC. Why? Because they created it, and they have had a decade as TCHC, and as other entities in community housing before that to get it right.

By the way, as soon as my editorial, (linked below) went up on the Toronto Sun website, someone criticized it by saying that I was wrong to point out that 25% of murders in Toronto happen in TCHC buildings. Is it too difficult to figure out that with a tiny percentage of the population (6%) living in TCHC, that is a really high number, that 25%?

Here is the column.

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  1. EdwardM_8180 posted on 08/14/2012 04:19 AM
    When I started to discuss the crime in youth kids in the city, I listed the things we need to do to create change, I am glad that the shutting down of TCHC has been raised up again. And this is not the first time it has been raised, but it will never ever be discussed let alone agreed upon by any political party. This is actually a very old discussion for I think some of us started it way back in the late 80’s, the danger you always find is that if you close them you pull a whole whack of cash out of society, for TCHC is about manufacturing crime. There is no entity that creates jobs in these cities than public housing. I stood very strongly to reject the redevelopment of Regent park, and we were squarely beaten down for this time around Regent park is going to be a mixed income housing. But when you think about it, what kind of housing system has a waiting period of 10 years? What does that tell you exactly about the system its self? Get a day and listen to the Police radio one day, and almost half of the calls sent out are heading to TCHC addresses all way from down town to Scarborough to North end of the city. Do you want to cut down the Police calls in half? Strangely many people do not want that for you are affecting many industries. It is very bizarre.

    But let me state too. When you get the government out of housing and shut down TCHC, we need to raise up and fight the drug problem in this city. What many people fail to address is that in cities of this size, Toronto has simply too much drugs on market for a city of 3 or so million people. We have accepted to have way over board supply of drugs and we are not taking the necessary steps to combat it. Black kids on streets do not bring drugs in this city they simply run it from suppliers to users. Note also that those very same black kids actually do not use the drugs they simply sell it. Yes you will find a black kid drug addict here and there, but by and large they are not the end users but pushers. We are targeting the pushers but not the suppliers and end users. If TCHS shuts down, the crime problem you have in Woodbridge will not end, the problem you have started to get in Mississauga condos will not end, the problem you have started to get in Oakville will not end, I was watching the news last night out of Peterborough and drugs are also very high now. Keswick has a problem as well. Woodstock same thing, Hamilton same thing. We need to start to attack the drug problem for Toronto as a supplier has way passed what it should have, and that is compared to the problematic cities this size can handle.

    EM
    A black parent.
    1. warren posted on 08/15/2012 08:20 AM
      @EdwardM_8180 you are right with the young black dealing . it is a oppertunity to make some fast money most dont continue over their life span continue with the dealing drugs . the supply comes from mostly white gangs whether it be bikers or mob related . the addicts make the demand by buying and once again are mostly white and or native . but pushers are just that they sometimes force or persuade people to buy creating new addicts and or new dealers . the main causes i think in towns such as Hamilton , St catherines and london are the fact that many very high income jobs have been reduced and the people that had those jobs were already using drugs lost the good job but are still addicted so have to resort to other means to feed the addiction as well as lose the drug plans they had thus needind to feed the prescipt drug habits.
      we need more searches at the borders and more people to do it . we need stricter laws that force rehab . stricter penelties for selling .also we need to get the message out about the use of drugs one that outways the peer presure or the dealers pressures .the problem lays in all communities all nationalities . good message here tho hope people read it
  2. Jack posted on 08/14/2012 08:15 AM
    Just tear the buildings down with the gangbangers and crackheads still inside. Nothing and nobody of any value will be lost, and we can build something on the spot that will actually benefit Toronto.
  3. warren posted on 08/15/2012 08:01 AM
    they have been talking of selling some units for years now ie adra villa ways what good will this do ? we would get slum lords out to make a buck . we need to keep a better watch on who is renting . we need to keep our homes for elderly for the elderly they are being intimidated by thugs in their own homes cause the city is renting units to anyone now . we have got to stop accepting market value renters to the ones that are now working or are near eviction because of suspected drug dealings . low rental should be allowed to those that are in the lower income bracket but are working too not just welfare or odsp recipients but not a family of 6 with 5 of them adult childeren that could be working ,
    1. CoffeeCon posted on 08/17/2012 11:26 PM
      @warren A. The slum lords will be better than TCHC.
      B. The land values are worth more than the buildings.

      1. sell the buildings
      2. invest the money to hire inspectors for 'rent capped property areas'
      3. call these inspectors 'police'
      4. ???
      5. profit!
  4. SteveB_10 posted on 08/15/2012 12:11 PM
    Once again Jerry reaches for the free market fairy dust to solve an intractable problem. The beautiful invisible hand will solve all problems.

    This is especially false in the case of real estate; you know that stuff they are not making any more of. Property prices in Vancouver and Toronto have skyrocketed due to supply and demand. Most of the demand side has been driven by Hong Kong. Look to that city for the end result of letting the free market operate unfettered. The people who gamed that postage stamp applied the same strategy to Vancouver but where stymied in Toronto. However when the absolutely necessary greenbelt legislation created an artificial land shortage the speculators pounced and despite the beneficial damping effect of higher land transfer taxes we arrived at our current destination. Ceding all to the free market will only exacerbate the negative outcomes of letting the free market destroy the collective good.
    A disenfranchised nihilistic underclass was not created by the last ten years of TCHC mis- management. The proven solution is projects like Regent park, we need more money for these types of projects, not easy money for what inevitably become slumlords.

    The Gold standard for sustainable shelter for all is Singapore. The Gold standard for many things is Singapore, but for our not invented here politicians and the special interests that live off the public largess its a non-starter to solve problems. The larger plan of the right is to destroy the credibility of government, so a Ayn Rand Potemkin village of the individual can rule the 99% collective who cannot possibly compete against the inherit advantages of those very few who rise or the more numerous whom are born at the top.

    There is a very simple way to find billions of dollars to solve many of the social ills caused by poverty. Legalize Pot. This will create thousands of urban jobs in the agricultural and processing industry. This will eliminate most of the entrepreneurially attractive drug trafficking jobs that are the default opportunity for most TCHC youth. On the supply side the justice system becomes much more productive, so billions spent futilely pursuing Pot can be devoted to creating a culture of collective responsibly and respect for country and community.

    There are no downsides to legalization. First where Pot is legal use amongst youths and the general population is lower than Canada. No one is going to recommend drug use. Nevertheless, if the goal is less drug use the pathway to this is legalization. Secondly the argument that the bad guys are just going to find some other crimes to commit is totally moronic. The war on drugs is 90% a war on pot, declare victory and move on.

    I agree that single family homes should not be used for housing the poor working or not. However this base of affordable housing should be used to balance the market forces of speculation that create a city of two solitudes: a working class that commutes to service a privileged class that rules like fuel lords.

    My solution is to sell these houses to teachers, policeman, firemen and nurses. The sale would be some combination of lease and partial ownership. So the owner has the incentive to repair the house, but when the property is sold the city has the ability to afford to keep it for this defined public good. How many Toronto police live in Toronto, I am guessing less than 25%? What are the stats for the others? To create a sustainable healthy progressive society there should be no disagreement that the most valuable citizen employees of a community, should live in that community.

    The right often throws up its and hands and shouts "bad parenting", "lack of responsibility" and blames the nanny state for prolonging the existence of poverty.
    Its hard to be a good parent when you are working three minimum wage jobs, or you can barely read or write. Its hard to be a good parent when you can’t see a future where your daily life is constantly worse than the miserable existence that passed for yesterday. So it really is all about raising good citizens.
    Therefore society must accept the fact that bad parents exist, always have an always will. Dalton McGinty has wisely championed a real solution, all day kindergarten. If all children starting at age 3 are provided with at least a few hours of a responsible nurturing environment, there will be dramatically less generational poverty. The cycle of bad parenting can be broken. Good citizens are made; they do not magically emerge as the self-made products of an opportunity vacuum.

    One of the solutions is already in place, the funds to invest in the second part of the solution are the lowest hanging fruit on the opportunity tree.
    1. SteveB_10 posted on 08/15/2012 04:39 PM
      @SteveB_10 sorry for the duplicate, not my fault, maybe you could delete one of them.
  5. SteveB_10 posted on 08/15/2012 12:12 PM
    Once again Jerry reaches for the free market fairy dust to solve an intractable problem. The beautiful invisible hand will solve all problems.
    This is especially false in the case of real estate; you know that stuff they are not making any more of. Property prices in Vancouver and Toronto have skyrocketed due to supply and demand. Most of the demand side has been driven by Hong Kong. Look to that city for the end result of letting the free market operate unfettered. The people who gamed that postage stamp applied the same strategy to Vancouver but where stymied in Toronto. However when the absolutely necessary greenbelt legislation created an artificial land shortage the speculators pounced and despite the beneficial damping effect of higher land transfer taxes we arrived at our current destination. Ceding all to the free market will only exacerbate the negative outcomes of letting the free market destroy the collective good.
    A disenfranchised nihilistic underclass was not created by the last ten years of TCHC mis- management. The proven solution is projects like Regent park, we need more money for these types of projects, not easy money for what inevitably become slumlords.
    The Gold standard for sustainable shelter for all is Singapore. The Gold standard for many things is Singapore, but for our not invented here politicians and the special interests that live off the public largess its a non-starter to solve problems. The larger plan of the right is to destroy the credibility of government, so a Ayn Rand Potemkin village of the individual can rule the 99% collective who cannot possibly compete against the inherit advantages of those very few who rise or the more numerous whom are born at the top.
    There is a very simple way to find billions of dollars to solve many of the social ills caused by poverty. Legalize Pot. This will create thousands of urban jobs in the agricultural and processing industry. This will eliminate most of the entrepreneurially attractive drug trafficking jobs that are the default opportunity for most TCHC youth. On the supply side the justice system becomes much more productive, so billions spent futilely pursuing Pot can be devoted to creating a culture of collective responsibly and respect for country and community.
    There are no downsides to legalization. First where Pot is legal use amongst youths and the general population is lower than Canada. No one is going to recommend drug use. Nevertheless, if the goal is less drug use the pathway to this is legalization. Secondly the argument that the bad guys are just going to find some other crimes to commit is totally moronic. The war on drugs is 90% a war on pot, declare victory and move on.
    I agree that single family homes should not be used for housing the poor working or not. However this base of affordable housing should be used to balance the market forces of speculation that create a city of two solitudes: a working class that commutes to service a privileged class that rules like fuel lords.
    My solution is to sell these houses to teachers, policeman, firemen and nurses. The sale would be some combination of lease and partial ownership. So the owner has the incentive to repair the house, but when the property is sold the city has the ability to afford to keep it for this defined public good. How many Toronto police live in Toronto, I am guessing less than 25%? What are the stats for the others? To create a sustainable healthy progressive society there should be no disagreement that the most valuable citizen employees of a community, should live in that community.

    The right often throws up its and hands and shouts "bad parenting", "lack of responsibility" and blames the nanny state for prolonging the existence of poverty.
    Its hard to be a good parent when you are working three minimum wage jobs, or you can barely read or write. Its hard to be a good parent when you can’t see a future where your daily life is constantly worse than the miserable existence that passed for yesterday. So it really is all about raising good citizens.
    Therefore society must accept the fact that bad parents exist, always have an always will. Dalton McGinty has wisely championed a real solution, all day kindergarten. If all children starting at age 3 are provided with at least a few hours of a responsible nurturing environment, there will be dramatically less generational poverty. The cycle of bad parenting can be broken. Good citizens are made; they do not magically emerge as the self-made products of an opportunity vacuum.
    So one of the solutions is already in place, the funds to invest in the second part of the solution are the lowest hanging fruit on the opportunity tree.
    1. CoffeeCon posted on 08/17/2012 11:23 PM
      @SteveB_10 OR instead of subsidizing their entire lives with my hard work, we could offer parenting classes three nights a week and bring the kids?
  6. StephenS_5505 posted on 08/15/2012 02:47 PM
    Whos' going to buy something with that big a debt and then pump money into fixing it up? Not a soul, so you would have to swallow the debt and most of the reapair bills before a corp. would even think about it. Then you'd have the change the landlord/tenent act.

    Then since its private owned the rents could all jump to current levels and that would force out all the tenents. Then the building could convert to condo units in a private sale and make the owner millions.

    There Jerry I got to the end of your arguement for you, problem solved.
    1. MichaelP posted on 08/15/2012 04:00 PM
      @StephenS_5505 SteveB -

      "There are no downsides to legalization". Really, none? Nothing like stating something and then saying that there is no way anyone can argue with what you said. Just laughable stuff.
    2. SteveB_10 posted on 08/15/2012 04:41 PM
      @StephenS_5505 The total solution needs some work, but in principle the existing stand alone properties or really valuable stuff would be sold to public servants at a price that would leave them lots of room to totally renovate.

      The apartments would be sold to the residents.
  7. EdwardM_8180 posted on 08/15/2012 06:55 PM
    Steven_10

    Even if you sold those apartments to the tenants today you would have solved a whack of problems, the problem is that this can never be done for the conservatives want their friends like Greenwich to remain making billions of dollars. And TCHC has a whack of money for you manage it without implementing anything, there is no accountability and no one cross checks anything, you get the millions of dollars when the structures fall apart. There is this reasoning that the buildings were abandoned and not repaired, and I have got that fallacy from Jerry Agar’s program as well.

    Can he tell us when the city of Toronto did not budget money for TCHC ever? Where exactly did it go?

    EM
    A parent
  8. EdwardM_8180 posted on 08/15/2012 06:57 PM
    Warren

    Very well put, yes we need searches and we need stricter laws on enforcement. Now let me put it to you as an African for I know both sides of the game. Even if you turn half the population into enforcement officers, you will never succeed in stopping the drug supply in this city until when the law is enforced fairly. This is a very good country and a very good developed society, but it has those that must never drive while reading a paper and those that can drive when reading a paper. And the reason the very good mayor gave is “I am a very busy man” So he is standing in Toronto as a very busy man and the rest of us that have got the tickets for driving when we are doing something else are bums. Now never ever delude yourself that the law can treat you with Rob Ford the same manner. At the rate he is going, this Mayor is going to kill a pedestrian or a biker on a Toronto street, and his charges will be thrown out of court. And trust me I have seen it happening.

    If you want to enforce those stricter laws, how are you going to arrest a supplier when he is a retired Police Officer? He knows all of them and he knows the system as the system knows him so well. So a black kid will stand up and state that this is the supplier, and Christie Blatchford will stand up and write a piece of how a dedicated Police officer this man was and how many arrests he made and how we are glad to have him, when inside your silly heart you know he is a cause of several deaths in society, and Blatchford will end her piece with it must be understood that the black kid that made the allegations has a criminal record. There you go now you are done like dinner. You stand up and sell that story to a Canadian society when you are black and see how twisted you will become. Drugs are here and to stay, and they are getting very better and large. The crimes you are seeing out there in small towns are only getting better for you will never ever touch the suppliers. You know way back in the 80’s some of us as parents started to fight this nambi bambi of bringing up kids as kings in this society for we knew that they can never be responsible when we bring them up as bandits, and that is what Canadian grown kids are, yes bandits. Society refused to listen and today we have the Husbands to show. Society is refusing to go after the suppliers today, but fifteen years down the road, this city is not only going to be worse than Detroit but small towns like Waterloo like Peterborough Hamilton are also going to start to be fierce in defense of territories. So you might as well cut health care into half and build more jails for you will truly need them. And may God help me to be only wrong on this prediction for trust me I have made many and they have all came through.

    Let me repeat myself. There was a drug problem on Martin grove and Rexdale Finch area, Police organized an operation to arrest every one they knew had the guns and weapons. The night Police walked into them, they found nothing for the people knew of the operation and took the drugs and guns out for the night. CFRB read that information as I have stated it. The question I have today is very simple, why no one pushed to know how the drug dealers knew that Police was going to do an operation into the area? How did this information leak out but why no one ever bothered to follow it up? Why did CFRB as a radio station read it in the news but refused to follow it up with investigations? Isn’t that what radio stations do? Stricter laws and enforcements are about terrorizing we the innocent people, but you have a huge internal problem man that you need to work on, or leave my kid if he has an ounce of crack to sell to a white addict.

    It is the sheer hypocrisy that really gets to me.

    EM
    A black parent
    1. CoffeeCon posted on 08/17/2012 11:19 PM
      @EdwardM_8180 Don't get what you're saying about Rob Ford there but I think you don't like him.
      I agree that the drug problem is bad in the city and thats where all the shootings are coming from, but in your last sentence you say we should leave young crack dealers alone.. so that they can try to sell crack to other kids... my kids? No thanks, thats wrong.
  9. Richard Collins posted on 08/16/2012 08:29 AM
    Have all the buildings put under the ownership of the police force. They can hand off the management duties to other parties, but the buildings will be the property of the police. This will mean that at any time, officers can enter the premises without notification or warrants, and put a stop to any illegal activity they find. All of this information will be plainly visible in a placard on the interior of each apartment's front door, as well as main entrances to the building (much like the maps on the interior of hotel room doors that indicate fire exits)

    Any residents who are unhappy with this arrangement will simply have that much more incentive to make something of themselves and get out of community housing.
  10. EdwardM_8180 posted on 08/16/2012 08:57 PM
    Richard Collins

    As parents that have fought this drugs issue in TCHC long enough we one-time decided to target a crack house. It was a very known crack house by TCHC by Police by city counselors and Greenwich that was managing the building. On seeing that they refused to go after it and close it, and we see the damage it does to our kids, we decided to target it. We started to make their lives unbearable for they are kids and we are parents. There are very many things that frustrated us to drop the entire issue, and I am not going to go into all of them for I have been accused of posting very long postings in the blog. One of the things that frustrated us the most on targeting it was that even the security guards of TCHC were getting their own supply from that crack house. I walked into TCHC and talked to an administrator that the security guards were also buying their supply from the very same safe house. She wobbled off her face and she went I am not going to believe that they also buy it. She stopped there and never wanted that discussion to continue. We dropped the issue. Richard, let me ask you a very simple direct question, where do Police Officers actually buy their crack supply? Now stand up and sell TCHC and we see what politician will ever support you. What gets to me is the hypocrisy of the Jerry Agar arm chair critics that go after the single mothers, the satellites on the TCHC buildings, the fathers that are very rightly absent, oh there is a very nice one, I don’t see myself as a parent and my son has a gun and I refuse to report him to Police. But they always and all of them never question how drugs come and remain into TCHC. And they bleat how they can shut off TCHC, who loses the most? The single mothers? No it is the users of the crack and it is not the black kids for black kids are simply suppliers. Stand up and shut it down and you will get my 5 bucks bait, for trust me it will never happen in our generation, TCHC is the best thing ever happened to Toronto, the kids that die that an accident just make sure it is not yours shot.

    Yes we all can bleat how blacks are a failure parents and how Africans bring crime in this city, but understanding the drug problem we have in Toronto takes a very different brain.

    EM
    A black parent
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