Sell the LCBO

Posted By: Jerry Agar · 12/6/2012 8:54:00 PM

The governmetn has no business in business. That includes the business of selling booze.


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  1. SteveB_10 posted on 12/07/2012 02:12 PM
    Thank you Jerry. This is a sterling example of how people who think and talk like you are blinded to common sense by ideology. As proven by the Alberta experience, selling the LCBO would result in not only drasticly higher prices for booze (price in Alberta does not include a 7% provincial sales tax), but also a huge loss in tax revenue. So why tell us why Jerry you want to die on this mountian?
    1. Tom posted on 12/08/2012 09:57 PM
      @SteveB_10 The prices for alcohol in Alberta are not more expensive. I lived there for a summer and I can tell you they're cheaper there. The government doesn't lose on tax revenue -- tax rates on alcohol can remain the same if the provincial government wants. Where the government might lose is on the profit from the sales, but much of this will be made up for by increased sales by grocery stores, gas stations and corner stores, i.e., an increase in corporate taxes collected by the province due to the higher revenues from these stores. In fact, the government can privatize alcohol sales, raise the tax on alcohol and collect even more money than they do now! At the end of the day, this issue is not about provincial government revenue -- it's about the freedom of people to be able to sell a legal product; and to do so in a way that offers greater convenience to the consumer. If the government wants to find more tax revenue, it can and will find a way. Whether it should do so via alcohol sales is another story. Maybe the provincial government should look at cutting spending instead.
  2. Steve Smith posted on 12/10/2012 11:01 AM
    Just bought a realy good craft beer from an eastern Ontario micro brewery, fermented with myrtle, fantastic. I would never be able to get that, not would the brewery exist if it didn't have the distribution power of the LCBO.
    1. Tom posted on 12/10/2012 05:36 PM
      @Steve Smith Grocery stores don't have distribution power?
  3. Tom posted on 12/11/2012 11:38 PM
    See Macleans article here:

    I just can't believe that people would want the government to take away people's freedom to sell a legal product. Not only does the government sell alcohol, they tell the people they're not allowed to -- and they create a monopoly for themselves. It's morally reprehensible in a free country.
  4. levon posted on 12/12/2012 11:03 AM
    Did you catch Agar's vision of government and business? It's the extreme far right Teabagger vision. Having lived there for so long he can't help it. He said all governemnt should do is build roads, have a military, and a judiciary system. And that's it. Everything else should be run by private business. He is such a far right wing American idealogue that it's sickening. I hope 1010 dumps him when his contract ends and replaces him with a more Canadian conservative who reflects a Canadian vision and values of our country.
  5. jose posted on 01/02/2013 07:06 PM
    I`m a private importer of wines, as lcbo goes is like this they do not sell my products at the stores yet they mark up 72% after taxes, second they charge the same transportation fee for 1 bottle case, 3 bottlle, 6 or 12, go figure if a container brings 1200 cases of 12 if you order cases of 6 your costs double and so on. We have to be subject to their warehouse system so after a period of time you have to pay fees to the lcbo if is my product why can`t i have my own warehouse? Why is when i order my products my costumers have to disclose name, adress, and phone #? If you go to their store and buy alchool product they do not ask any questions?Why can ontario producers have their own stores and I as a Importer whith licence cannot?
    Try to make sense of all this!
  6. Richard posted on 01/04/2013 09:57 AM
    Hi Jerry The LCBO is already partly in private hands by setting up "Agency" stores in small mostly rural communities. Some are in small grocery stores and some are in variety stores. Some examples are the Small grocery stores in Craighurst, North of Barrie and Mt Brydges a small community West of London Ontario. these "Agency" stores take up a small part of the store usually about 450 square feet in area.
    I spoke with an owner, that has a "Agency" store in his variety store, and his comment was that it was a win win situation for the LCBO because he paid the staff, paid heat, hydro, insurance, property taxes, etc. All that the LCBO supplies is the stock. The store owner is compensated for selling the booze by a percentage of the sale, According to this store owner his take for a $24.00 bottle of rum for, example, is about 3.00. That sounds like a good deal but this amount includes the HST which the store owner has to submit to the Receiver General. Again the government wins out as it gets all the taxes, including HST, but does not have union problems, nor does it pay any wages, or other overhead costs.

    The advantage of many of these stores especially the Variety Stores is that they are open on Sundays and often open on Holidays when the regrular LCBO stores are closed. The advantage to the store owner is that it does bring in business and increased sales that otherwise would go to larger centres.
  7. Stug posted on 01/04/2013 11:35 AM
    the government has no business in business. So that means business has no business in government? am i correct?
    zero tax breaks from government for any business, big oil etc.!!. Make lobbying illegal everywhere. make any political donations to any government from any business illegal. You agree Jerry?
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