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Michael Coren moves to the right....side of history

Posted By: John Moore · 6/30/2014 9:54:00 AM

Michael Coren's evolution in thinking about gays has caught a lot of people off guard. Of course there is a difference between having a faith based view on homosexuality and being a hater but I think a lot of haters used to take great comfort in being able to say they shared the same views with a smart and respected guy like Coren. Now with his change of stance, they find themselves a bit exposed. And those who have held traditional faith based views feel threatened by the fact that a guy who is known as a thinker has done a lot of thinking....and changed his mind. They have to choose between dogma and some serious contemplation.

The conclusion of Michael's change came this weekend in a column for The Sun which you can read here. He also spoke with us on the show this morning.

A really compelling point Michael makes is that ultimately it was the obsessive and sometimes vindictive nature of the people who continue to rail against gays that convinced him he wanted no more of it. Michael decided the better side of his faith was to love and accept rather than judge and marginalize. It's pretty clear from a lot of the comments at the end of the column that he isn't going to change all minds but the migration from those who can't get over gays toward a live-and-let-live position is a one way affair. And Michael's evolution of thinking shows what a losing battle it is to use gays as a wedge issue. As he notes, kids today think nothing of it. 

Taking part in Pride this weekend I noticed how many happy people there were around me and wondered.... why does anyone still wish unhappiness on them?

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  1. Gene posted on 06/30/2014 02:39 PM
    Let me get this straight Coren.
    You didn't change your point of view because of "verbal attacks and even death threats" you haven't succumb to pressure nor did your kids influence you. You “have never compromised because of intimidation” You changed your mind “because of the angry and hateful responses of some people to my defence of persecuted gay men and women in Africa and Russia.”?

    If the change of mind is because of “the angry and hateful responses of some people to my defence of persecuted gay men and women in Africa and Russia” then firstly - you have absolutely succumb to pressure and your skin is no where near as thick as you would like to believe.

    But whats more - I don't believe you. I think you are searching for a reason because you don't want to admit that it was the pressure created by the wave of support for LGBT's across the continent. You know you're on the losing end and you have to adapt to stay relevant. Just like your lousy church. Even your pope is “evaluating” gay marriage and thinking people know that it's not because the church now supports it but because if they don't evolve, even just a little bit, your religion will continue to shed members and could eventually (hopefully) be relegated to the crazy corner wrapped up in a straight jacket.

    No Coren, the reason you have changed your mind is because you are blowing with the wind. You say you've evolved but you still have to to come up with some logical reason to defend your change of mind and that's precisely why I do not believe you have truly changed your heart.
    1. Angry Bill posted on 06/30/2014 03:33 PM
      @Gene Looks to me like you're ascribing your own motives to Michael. I've read his article, listened to him this morning on John's show, and I see no evidence of him blowing in the wind. If you think he does, then you just haven't been paying attention to him over the past couple of decades, and know very little about him.

      I'm no Christian myself, so don't have to deal with the dogma and demons Michael has to, but if he says that the hateful comments of those who were "on his side" caused him to reflect, then I believe him. If he's chosen to focus on the bible's message of love instead of narrowly interpreting a particular passage (as hater "Christians" do), then I believe him.

      Regardless if you agree with him or not, you cannot accuse him of not having standards, or of being weak-willed enough to have his opinion so easily swayed by the first breeze that comes along. If you believe this, then as I said, you know nothing about him.

      It seems to me, from what I read of your response, that you might have been on board with him in his previously anti-gay stance, and are now offended that you've lost his righteous support of your personal beliefs.

      Anyone who places their faith in another person to support their personal beliefs is generally doomed to be disappointed.
  2. Sunny posted on 06/30/2014 07:49 PM
    For some, homosexuality is abomination. Coren did mention Romans 1 where Paul had some problems in that group.
  3. Mark7 posted on 07/01/2014 01:56 PM
    ". And Michael's evolution of thinking shows what a losing battle it is to use gays as a wedge issue. As he notes, kids today think nothing of it."

    What an idiot Coren is. Of course kids think nothing is wrong with being gay. Many kids now are brought up outside a family unit. They see nothing but sex,sex,sex on tv, adds, magazines... Hey Coren, open your eyes! Some kids now think nothing of murdering each other, their teachers and even their own parents. Canadian society has lost all its morals.

    Those with REAL WISDOM can see the big picture. Anything these days of good quoted from the good book are frowned upon. Anything that goes against the bible is touted as "progress"

    Well look at how progressive we have become. People don't give a damn about anyone but themselves anymore. They won't say hello, please nor thank you, will gladly let the door swing shut on someone right behind them instead of holding it open.........

    This is a direct result of growing atheism and being taught that to go against the bible is the right thing to do.

    You can stick today's "progressive" world where the sun does not shine. Yahweh will be dealing with those who mock His word in due time. That time shall be here very soon. Then finally real justice will be metted out on all those who are causing harm to believers in the favour of those without humility...gays!
    1. Angry Bill posted on 07/02/2014 11:14 AM
      @Mark7 I realize I'm taking a chance by responding to this. I'm also wasting my time, because you cannot argue with a person who is firmly entrenched in a religious belief. There's a saying, never try to teach a pig to sing. It just wastes your time and annoys the pig. It's just a metaphor, I'm not calling you anything.

      You are listing a whole litany of society's ills, and equating being gay as belonging right there with them. You are listing loose morals, murder, free sex everywhere, no manners, going against what Yahweh's Word, and being gay as all being on the same level.

      It's crazy I even have to mention this in today's world, but being gay is not a choice. You are born that way. Tell me, Mark7.. At what point in your life did you choose to be straight? Because it's obviously a choice, right? So at what point in your life did you flip a coin, and decide "It's heads.. ok, I guess I'll choose to be straight".

      I'll reiterate. Being gay is not a sin. It's not a sign of loose morals. At least inherently. A straight guy can have loose morals regarding sex, too. So can a gay guy. Being gay in and of itself doesn't mean you have loose morals, any more than being straight does.

      Finally, for those who like to use the bible as an excuse to justify their opinions, let me point you to an oldie but a goodie. It sums up that argument very, very well.

      http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/response-to-the-letter-to-dr-laura-on-homosexuality/
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