So, we've already talked to people who jump the line... and aren't paying to be on the TTC.
They've figured out the system and know when and where is the best place to do it without getting caught.
Fare evasion is not new. As a matter of fact, it's been around for years. For the most part, it's accepted as the cost of doing business.
But that cost is growing.
In Toronto, fare evasion costs us anywhere between 20 and 40 million dollars every year.
Big deal, right? Wouldn't you like to know that, that amount works out to about 1% on the average property tax bill in this city. Or it's a fraction of the cost of what the city paid to speed up construction on the Gardiner.
So, it IS a big deal.
Former TTC chair Karen Stintz thinks things might even get worse, with the implementation of Presto by the end of 2019.
"As we move away from entry points with someone staffing them, because Presto is all automatic, there's actually nobody there to check and see."
She also thinks the TTC should streamline the methods of payment, as a way to crack down on the issue.
"When you have too many ways to pay your fare, it becomes that much harder to monitor as well." says Stintz.
Another former Chair we talked to, Adam Giambrone says one of the big issues include gates that aren't functioning, and not enough fare inspectors.
"A lot of them aren't special constables so their ability to detain somebody, I mean, you can tell them to go stuff it and just walk away."
Both Stintz and Giambrone believe the rollout of Presto should help, but won't fully solve the problem.